Economy Discussion about Skyblock's punishment system

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  1. SuperCoolWimp
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    This is a discussion thread on false punishments, staff inactivity, and providing evidence... Feel free to tell me if I'm in the wrong and why I'm in the wrong. I don't dislike any staff members, and this thread isn't about me wanting the punishing staff member to get in trouble, it's about unjustified (sometimes straight up false) punishments on Noobcrew's skyblock.

    About 4 days ago I was playing on economy (like usual) talking in chat with my friends and I got warned. At the time I didn't even know why, I didn't think I had broken any rules... I asked frezology (the staff member who warned me) why and they didn't really give me a straight answer at first, a few minutes later they told me I was warned for saying "L"... I was confused and asked how that was against the rules, where I was met with either ignorance or "stop asking about your punishment". I asked if frez could provide proof, they refused.

    The scenario:
    This was 4 days ago, but the scenario that led up to my warn was BobaLatte (My friend) was trying to buy a music disc, BriefingApple5 said he could sell him a disc for 25k. BobaLatte paid for the disc before he went to BriefingApple5 to collect the disc, so when BriefingApple5 dropped the disc he had no clue BobaLatte already paid him... He said BobaLatte scammed him, Boba said he already paid (I knew Boba already paid) so I jokingly said "BobaLatte is a scammer" followed by "L" (clearly a joke, Boba is my friend we joke around).

    frezology also muted me for trying to talk about my punishment (since they never explained how it was valid)

    What is the point of this thread?
    False punishments on Noobcrew's Skyblock are way more common than they should be... A few things that should be required are active staff (especially super mods and higher) to make sure punishments stay valid, other staff should be involved in other's punishments, and biggest of all screenshots should be attached to ALL punishments.

    Right now if a bias staff member punishes you and you try to appeal it they will just reply to your appeal (since they are the only staff member that can), I don't know why it's this way... All staff should be punishing for the same things (when it comes to chat infractions) so all staff should be able to reply to these appeals.

    This isn't the first time I've mentioned inconsistency in punishments, previous thread here.
     
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    Hi there, as I have told you in DM's, your attitude in this situation was rude, your comments were unnecessary and clearly distressed the other player even more.
    When situations are happening in chat and a staff member is dealing with it, we ask you to leave the situation alone, not to poke it with a stick as you did with your comments.
    I have explained this to you, as I have in other situations.
     
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    Your explanations, to my knowledge, never went beyond what you just posted here. Context matters in situations like this (screenshot), yet you refuse to acknowledge the facts of the matter OR that your punishment was wrong. You also muted SuperCoolWimp for being inquisitive and trying to understand what he truly got punished for, which is really quite telling.

    Could you please provide the evidence (if only to the person punished, SuperCoolWimp) that shows him saying "L" in a way that is rude, unnecessary & distressing?
     
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    In the context of the situation, which they have clearly acknowledged in their statement above, they were not being helpful towards the situation at hand.

    Their punishment was not wrong.

    As for their mute, I had asked them many times to drop it after I had told them what they had done to earn the warning.
     
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    These are two very extremely different definitions of SuperCoolWimp's conduct. Are you even aware about the punishment currently being discussed? Again, a screenshot suiting either of these definitions would be marvellous.
     
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    Were these helpful? I don't see what you're trying to argue here, a major difference between being rude and not being helpful...

    I didn't distress any players in the situation, I was being playful and joking around with my friend, just as you did in screenshots above.

    If you have some sort of proof proving I was being rude, please upload it here. (You don't, the punishment was false)
     
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    How are they different?
    Their comments were not helpful, because they distressed the situation and player even more. The comments were unnecessary.

    Perhaps "Rude" was not the correct wording.

    Commenting upload_2022-8-4_17-52-16.png then "L" when another player is clearly very distressed thinking that they have been scammed for a second time that day is obviously going to distress them more, as it did.

    Your actions have consequences, if the consequence is that you're upsetting the player even more then you will be punished for it, like 18 has here.

    It was a warning. It is not the end of the world. As I have said in dms, please be mindful of how your actions and statements affect others. If staff are handling a situation, leave it alone, do not comment. If you have any thing to add, dm the moderator.

    Furthermore, if someone has asked you to stop talking about something, don't carry on harassing them about it.
     
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    Here, there was not a player publicly going through it and panicking unlike in the situation we are currently discussing
    The player was very much distressed.

    It was a warning. It does not need to be discussed in this much detail. I will not be replying further.

    Please remember that your comments do affect people and just be mindful of the situation.
     
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    If you can't discern the difference between "not helpful" & "rude, unnecessary and distressing" then perhaps you should stop using these words
    Again, context matters, and any person could quite easily deduct that Im18PlayingThis directed this comment towards BobaLatte and was an echo of what the person in distress had already said. There is an argument to be made that "L" is in reference TO THE SCAMMING, perhaps even trying to help the person who was scammed. You cannot say with certainty to the contrary, because "BobaLatte stop scamming people L" is very ambiguous and does not break any rules. Things said out of context can't magically be given context to suit a punishment.
    This situation was not explained as thoroughly as you have tried to explain it here to SuperCoolWimp in dms (obviously because this is a public forum and your image matters more than educating people on the rules). Im18PlayingThis already knew that BobaLatte had paid the person who thought they had been scammed, and was not aware that his was the second time they believed they had been scammed that day.
    It may only be a warning, but you did say that this warning would have an affect on punishments going forward for Im18PlayingThis, so it is important to understand what happened here so that it isn't repeated.
     
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    I'm sorry but I'm very tired of seeing players being intentionally obnoxious in-game and then coming here claiming they were "just asking questions" or some other defense when they get punished for their own actions. Like bro, you know what you were doing, don't be shy. Own it!
     
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    Apple1.png Apple2.png You'd think a clearly very much distressed player would remember that I distressed them wouldn't you?

    You stand by your false punishment instead of admitting you were wrong, it's very sad to see. I have no issues with you, I had respect for you, but this punishment was wrong. You had 4 days to prove your punishment, 4 days to discuss this with me, 4 days to send me your screenshot proof... Instead you muted me.

    Words we should ALL live by, including you.

    Did you read my thread? It doesn't appear you did based on this response, please feel free to reply after you've read all of it.
     

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    SuperCool, a warning or temp mute doesn’t go on your ‘record’ so don’t worry about it. Take in to account that frez was talking to both boba and apple.

    But boba should be perma banned for AGREEING TO PAY TWENTYFIVE K FOR A RECORD THEREBY INADVERTENTLY DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY, how dare you, BOBA
     
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    L + ratio bozo
     
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    oh did you get warned.. i'm so sorry :frowning: i was just messing with them because i tp'd to my island after they dropped the disc and i said "#scammed" but paid them immediately and told them it was a joke which they eventually found out after accusing me and scrolling up in chat... :sob:
    IM SORRY IDK THE PRICES...
     
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    That moment when I'm already extremely distressed from this situation and you don't add to it. :mad:

    Frez said that it will make my punishments be longer in the future, so it kinda does.

    You didn't just get me warned, you got me false warned. SHAME ON YOU.
     
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    Pfft, don’t worry about it. It’s not like breaking in to a locked island to steal pumpkins, that would have taken your future punishments up a notch or two!

    Frez is fun and easy-going and always a pleasure to have around, you’ll see that in time. So don’t give her a hard time or I’ll bust your kneecaps. XoXo
     
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    Please watch the double posting, thanks.
     
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    Ca1 Hold this L LOL! Wait........... I take that back........ I do not wish to get banned on the forums.........

    Also aye bruh thats the stupidest warning/mute Ive seen in my life (also coming from someone who was staff member so yk i seen them all) but this is just a joke bruh
     
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    This was a misunderstanding, at most.
    I’m kind of disappointed that this post wasn’t a general discussion about skyblock’s punishment system cuz there are some massive holes in it, and there is so much that could be done to improve it. Like you know how people get warnings when they do something bad, and the more they break the rules, the harsher the punishment? I wish people could win back merit points when they’ve been good.
     
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    No, Frez is quite aware of the exact circumstances surrounding this particular issue and decided to double down when responding to this thread as opposed to seeing the error in her punishment. She not only failed to educate Im18PlayingThis privately on what rule he broke (initially refusing to discuss at all because it was meant to be obvious and wouldn't send a screenshot even though she cites the only reason as to why they don't add screenshots to punishments as the fact that punishment messages are global) but punished him for asking about the specifics. A Moderators job is to keep the server clean and educate offenders, not to punish people you don't like (literally muting a player for asking questions about the rules after you've been trying to put them off and refusing to answer them for days is, in my opinion, the optimity of abuse).
     
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