Economy Noobcrew needs to do something about Gambling

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  1. MrEPro
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    It makes it a coin flip. Where did I say it isn’t gambling?
     
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    i mean you lose all your money thats on you
     
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    Hope this helps!
     
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    I’m still waiting for where I said the 45/55 ‘coin flip’ is not gambling! :D
     
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    It's Coinflip in name only. It isn't an AI either but nobody has qualms over that.

    Yes. That's the point. Otherwise the martingale strategy will bankrupt the account.

    But if a player plays CoinFlipAI they expect it to be 45% odds.

    See rare, epic, and legendary keys (worth over $1m, the maximum wager for CoinFlipAI), which have a whole spin animation to replicate the feel of gambling machines at casinos. These can be used by kids, paid for with REAL MONEY, and there is no guarantee that you'll get a prize which makes the purchase worth your money. Don't just take the server's word for it when they say they "don't condone gambling" and actually watch their actions.

    Again, there are statistical tests you can conduct to prove that this isn't the case. I have one linked in my above post.
    I assure everyone that the code to find if someone wins is simply:
    win = random.nextDouble() <= 0.45
    where random is instantiated when the mod is loaded.

    The odds were changed once on the first day of it being online, from 50% to 45%, after it went bankrupt.

    Please, go look up the definition of money laundering.

    No player expects it to be fair.

    CoinFlipAI doesn't have a public island where rules could be read. The only other option is to periodically advertise in chat, which I'm sure many more players will be against.
     
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    Even if sky did this, there's nothing stopping them from just sending code that doesn't reflect what's being ran. (I do not think sky would do this)
     
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    The code of conduct would stop them morally and the quick witted staff will stop him mentally and physically. No one gets away with lies on the skyblock network
     
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    This is another issue. If every other casino has to have odds stated, the rules on how to ay etc, yours should too. At the end of the day it's it's casino like any other island. I have many casinos where each one has the rules stated and containers that can be monitored if needed. If unlike an external code that could be changed at any time to suit the house. Such as times you've closed the cf to players, after lots of wins or losses have been made. What's to stop you watching a player use "your martingale strategy" which you seem to recommend, only to then close payments off after they've almost won. Before at times you've told me you hate seeing me bid like that watching my losses(and your profits) add up on your chat screen. Whats stopping you in future removing money from the cf account when I'm a out to win, or taking the account offline when others have has lose streaks too?. Krazykid was starting to win, and you took the account offline, after theyd had a lot of lose streaks. As an example.

    You seem to compare your money laundering account to skyblocks voter keys and crates when they're nothing alike. Voter keys can be bought irl sure, but that only goes directly towards running costs of maintaining the server (also telex terms and conditions state you have to be of legal age to make purchases). And skyblock has had to confirm to Microsoft eula by doing so. Keys can also be monitor by staff with logs and codes that are predefined and approved by the server admin themselves. A players chat gpt code that exists solely to gain profits from vulnerable players including players who aren't old enough to legally gamble on servers or irl, shouldn't be allowed. If you wish to make a coinflip casino there are plenty of ways to do so in game using redstone and shop signs that can then be regulated in a way that shows no bias towards the island owner raking in unfair profits.

    Except the way its advertised would suggest it being an actual coinflip, pretending its one thing when it's something else entirely.

    If you'd like to see some fantastic coinflip redstone there's plenty on the survival server that are fun and fair for everyone.
     
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    Please, for the love of God I am trying to take your side in this but he isn’t laundering the damn money :D
     
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    110million in profits from vulnerable players some of who haven't seen the how to play, only copying from other players who claim to win in chat. Often lying, at what point doesnt it become an account designed to bring in profits from those not old enough to gamble and those who lose all their money thinking coinflip means even chances to win or lose.
     
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    Okay…?

    Money laundering: ‘Money laundering is the process of hiding the source of money obtained from illegal sources and converting it to a clean source, thereby avoiding prosecution, conviction, and confiscation of the criminal funds. It is an illegal exercise that converts black money into white money.’ (The Economic Times, quick Google search)

    He is not hiding anything, he just told all of us about the profits and whatnot. Avoiding what prosecution? How is it gonna be confiscated?

    And he is not paying the people to lie about their wins with the CoinFlipAI. Literally nothing about it is money laundering.

    I still side with you and the CoinFlip name is clearly misleading not being 50/50 but please for the love of God drop the money laundering crap
     
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    I don’t totally understand the point of all this. It’s not like he was advertising something and did the opposite. At least, there’s no proof as of now going towards that. Now, if you want to have stricter rules related to gambling I’m all for it, but all types of gambling/loot boxes should be concerned. To me, there’s way worst cases that could be brought up that are happening on survival such as casinos not even displaying odds, explaining exactly what can be won, etc. The same critics can be applied there since you can’t verify yourself the odds and what can be won and you just have to trust the casino owner on that.
     
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    Well a coin flip is 50/50. This is not 50/50. There is a profit motive involved.
     
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    Well then don't focus on that singular part of my own opinion.
    For sure it isn't physically irl money laundering or whatever. But for me its a way of describing what it like feels like. Its an account set up with the sole purpose to take money from players. Its not an account made to create a unique island with. I'm sure if I made an account and actively encouraged new and vulnerable players to pay it money, that it would become frowned upon. Calling it a cf doesn't mask what it's become. Things don't have to literally mean word for word, when an expression can be used to represent opinions and thoughts of a situation.
     
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    So every single casino, shop and map art shop on Skyblock and Economy — in fact every single business on the server are money laundering? LOL

    I guess your mini game will be taken down for money laundering then.

    And my newspaper

    The Great Skyblock Purge is coming! :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
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    This isn't what in saying at all, and really kind of pathetic. You say you support what in saying but then focus all your negativity on a couple of times I mentioned something as an expression.
    I have a full island with shops and farms and more. My account and island is not defined solely by my colour rush minigame at the spawn of my entire island. And that example of a minigame can be fully regulated by staff, the odds are fair for everyone, not rigged specifically to win. There's a completed how to play book and redstone os on display for players who wish to check it out. Unlike an account that has no island, and no purpose other than to rake in money. Same could go for casinos on other peoples islands. So maybe instead of telling me you support me, but then target me for one way I try to figeruatively explain my own opinions which aren't other peoples words, just focus on the parts you're in agreement with. Let sky disagree with me if he feels needs to.
     
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    Idk man. 45_55AI doesnt have the same ring as CoinFlipAI.

    Yeah that account is to make profit. Hence the odds? I dont know why anyone is confused about this.

    If he made a physical casino with the same odds you wouldnt be on his stick for it.
     
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    That would be able to be regulated better by staff, than a player account running a chat gpt script designed to take money from people which neither staff or player can actually prove otherwise. Its easy to change parts of a code, it's not easy to fool the staff when they have redstone and inventory logs available.
     
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    But it never claimed on the /ad it being 50/50. It clearly states that you have a 45% chance of doubling your money the last time I checked.
     
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    A guy lost 14 times in a row. What are the odds?
    A mod should check to make sure it is the odds it states, the way they check sb casinos.
     
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