Skyblock Illegal Thread about Illegal to Trade Items

What Monster_Sparklez said is correct. My suggestion would mean that nobody can ever have more than 5 resets available at a time. But every week, they have a chance to gain back a reset. So if you had 5 resets, and then used one, you would get back that reset after a 7 day cooldown. This way, a player doesn't need to worry about ever running out of resets, but it also prevents people from spamming their resets.

 

Here's a quick little recap of what I've gathered from the community so far, let me know if anyone disagrees with any of these statements...

1. All sand trade should be legal. 99% of players I've talked to agree that it's more tedious than necessary to keep sand trade illegal, especially when red sand can be traded. I think we should take after MV, and allow normal sand trade.
2. Add a better form of island reset cooldown, or add some sort of weekly/monthly limits. As it stands, there's only a five minute cooldown between resets, which can apparently be skipped just by joining and leaving a co-op. While better protection won't stop island farming, a slightly more strict system would help prevent common forms of island farming, and make large scale island farming more difficult.
3. Buckets are fine staying illegal, though we wouldn't mind them being legal. Buckets are a very rarely needed item, with many players able to easily craft a new one with 3 iron when they need. The status of buckets as illegal doesn't seem to help or hurt players much, so this one can go either way.
4. Dirt trade should most likely stay illegal, though adding in ways to earn more could be useful to new players. Legalizing dirt change would be too much of a culture shock for the server, and would change the way people view grass, dirt, and terraforming. Many players agree that large scale landscapes made with grass should still be something reserved for only those willing to invest their own grass into them, and not be something easily accessible to all players through cheap dirt trade. With that, though, new players do still need some sort of easy way to help get them going. I think fixing challenges would go a long way to help out new players, and having a challenge or two which reward the player with 16-32 dirt could greatly help out new players, as well as giving them a clear target to work towards.

 

Thank you for the detailed reply, Leeeroieee, I had never heard your origin story before haha.

I think this is where system we recommended could really help out. The initial max could be five resets, or enough resets for a player to try out every island type. Either way, it gives them a way to try out different island types, or restart if they mess up early on, but also warning them with every reset how many more times they can reset.

Keeping it limited per week puts more importance on island resets to players, so they may not spam it as much they would otherwise. That way fewer server resources have to be used going through the process of wiping and restarting islands. It also keeps island farming more limited, as it prevents someone from just using one account to endlessly farm islands.

This is what I usually try to do. When someone asks in chat if anyone has a bucket, I first assume they lost their bucket. I'll ask them if they lost their bucket, and if they say yes, I'll have them try using /LNF. If that fails, and they've been friendly about things, I'll give them three ingots for free so they can craft a new bucket (I usually forget to mention /wb though, even though I've never made a workbench on this server in all my years lol). If they were being a bit rude, or seemed aggressive, I'd show them places they can buy iron, or tell them ways they could get some free iron, such as voting or in voter crates.

 

Upon suggestion of BertBerry, I've given this thread a bit of an update. I also thought I'd include my current thoughts on the matter after having some more time to think about things and discuss scenarios over.

Sand has been legalized, so you can ignore that portion of the suggestion now. I'll leave it up for historical purposes.

For island farming, I'm a huge supporter of limiting island resets. I'm still a believer that limiting how many times you can reset your island per-week or per-month would go a long way to help avoid island farming issues. There are some players who have access to hundreds to thousands of alts, and will be able to easily bypass this restriction, but the common player only has access to a few alts or friends that they can use for island farming purposes. If players still do choose to island farm, they would need to do it at a much slower rate than they're currently able to. I've seen players use 1-2 accounts to farm thousands of dirt within a week, just resetting the same two islands tons of times within a week.

With dirt trade, I support the idea of dirt being legal to trade, but am no longer a strong believe in it being sold at /warp trade. Offering it there would allow players to farm large amounts of dirt too easily, and would quickly reduce the value of dirt and terraformed islands.

Alternatively, I think the focus should be on rewarding new players with small amounts of dirt upon completing challenges, as well as allowing players to trade or donate dirt to one-another. Legalizing dirt may not fly on our current server, though, as players have now gone over two years knowing dirt to be illegal. Players have invested large sums of time and grass into building up terraformed islands with placed grass, and it would be slightly unfair to them to legalize dirt trade now, making them feel like they may have wasted grass on the island (more than they already feel they did).

Adding dirt rewards to challenges would work fine with our current system, though. New players would have an additional source of dirt for their farms, and older players wouldn't feel like they've missed out on much. Being able to trade dirt would be nice, but I think it would only work in a scenario in which we add island reset limits, and implement a better system for detecting suspicious activities (i.e. sending staff or managers a warning when multiple accounts connected to the same network are detected joining the server, and only creating and resetting islands).

With a solid method to prevent island farming, I think legal dirt trade is a very viable option.

As for buckets, I support legalizing bucket trade. It is still slightly frustrating needing to throw 3 iron ingots to a player when they want another bucket, instead of just being able to directly toss them a bucket. It is also especially annoying for co-ops, who may wish to pass a bucket between one-another, but instead have to go through the process of finding a chest, placing the bucket in the chest, and having the other player take the bucket.

Buckets have the same limiting criteria for me as dirt. I only believe buckets should be made legal to trade if we add island reset limits, and hopefully a better means for catching island farmers.

In conclusion... In the current state of the server, I do not believe dirt or bucket trade could be made legal. It is still too easy to island farm undetected, and legalizing the two would make it much more difficult to track island farmers. With preventive measures and better detection implemented, though, I think bucket trade and dirt trade could definitely work out well on our server.

Without any changes to the server's current island reset system, I do think it would still be nice to add some challenges which reward dirt. This is relatively harmless, and greatly helps out new players, helping ease them into the server and give them a better early game experience.