If only logblock wasn't such s***

 

Log block works fine, it just gets very confusing with big stuff (;

 

Yeah. I know a person (who's name I will not disclose for very obvious reasons) that did exactly that. He duplicated a lot of diamonds that way. As far as I know the moderators never found out anything.

 

This is very good reasoning for big trades. However: What about the smaller trades? What if the deal is 1 spawner for 5 diamonds. The person records everything, has enough evidence and he wouldn't get a refund.

Wtf? I agree with your point above "you see where I'm getting at" but that is a really dumb statement. So you are saying that a scammer could scam themselves with an alt. Now tell me: How on earth would a mod help? Your alt could quickly scam you and go to some random island and quickly drop the item, then log off. A moderator would not help at all. That's just the same as video evidence.

 

bump

 

it's not happening, i don't see why to bump it?

 

To start, I completely agree with what you said here. People trade at their own risk. I've also personally seen people rollback dupe thousands of diamonds into existence, so yeah, I'm on board xD.

However, the part about "increas[ing] the rare items in-game and [the] prices of those rares" is a bit silly. While it might be a bit off topic, a lot of things have been done that resulted in doing just that... Increasing the rare items in-game and subsequently dropping the prices of those items. Take the allowance of donor400s to get Cyp/Crew heads as their creative items. Beforehand, admin heads were extremely valuable and unbelievably rare. Yet, nowadays, the Trading section of the forums is filled with threads that are selling admin heads--and the heads have dropped from thousands of diamonds to a little over 600. :/ If you were worried about increasing rare items in-game and protecting the prices of said items, then why allow something like this?

 

While I do kinda agree with players trade with their own risk, but when scammed you can't just be like "lol ur problem for trading" that's not how servers work unless we want to lose tons of players

 

You can change anyone's mind

 

There are plenty of things that you can do to avoid getting scammed If you choose not to use any of them then so be it.

Additionally, pretend that skyblock was a pvp server. This is like asking to refund items after a person gets killed by a hacker or something. Unfortunately, "that's not how servers work," to quote your own words--and guess what, say you were pvping with your best gear (or your only gear) and died. The server would lose players (even though they pvp'd at their own risk). In skyblock, we trade; in pvp, we fight. Yet, in neither are all players refunded.

If you want to leave skyblock over a few grass, a few diamonds, or even something more valuable (like a head) then so be it. I guess you didn't really like the server that much. We have plenty more players who are more dedicated, more devoted, and won't leave the server over a silly reason like that.

 

But imagine playing for 2 months, then getting enough diamonds for a spawner. You get scammed, who is gonna redo that whole process again? Very little people will. We take for granted what we have. A few diamonds seems low for us because most people on forums have tons of diamonds and such. If they post here, they'd get refunded because it's a very warm and kind community, but in-game no one listens to them so they won't get refunded unless someone decides to be nice.

 

I don't know about you, but if I spent two months of my life to prepare for a single trade, I'd get a moderator to watch over it.

 

Ehh, not to offend staff or anything, but they aren't on enough and chances are you'd be too eager to wait xd. maybe you're more patient but we can't assume staff are available for this stuff

 

To respond what you quoted from what you said, you can't assume players to do this. If we keep assuming players will use trade shops or have a mod watch over it, we should equally be able to assume they can get a refund

 

I understand what you're saying, but I also think Cypriot is telling us that the scam rate will also intentionally increase if players learn supermods have creative and/or rollback. Let's look at it this way: If a player is poor but wants quick money, they will find a way to have an alt account scam themselves and make it look like they were scammed by another player. In reality, they scammed themselves.

If that would happen, we would need an IP check. However, that's borderline privacy infringement, and some people are more "introverted" about those kinds of things. Our current checking system isn't working the best, so it's best to wait.

It will also add more items into the economy that don't need to be there.

 

Can't we? If a moderator watches over your trade, then you are practically guaranteed to be refunded if you are scammed. Although, most players--upon seeing the mod--wouldn't even try to do the scam at all.

That aside, trade with people you trust. Trade with people that are well-known. Trade with people that have a good reputation. Ask a donor400 or mod to /invsee your prospective buyer/seller to ensure that he/she really has the item(s) in question. Don't go first in a trade. If a trade seems sketchy, don't do it. Record all trades.

There are a multitude of things that you can do aside from asking a moderator to watch over your trade. They can be collectively referred to as having common sense.
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Fair point. Let's pretend this is a new person to skyblock. The average individual would likely comment in chat about his/her predicament, leading to the following options:
1) A moderator or kind player (who is likely aspiring to be a moderator) will tell the player to make a report on the forums
2) A moderator or kind player (who is likely aspiring to be a moderator) will refund the player
3) The player will do nothing, be frustrated, give up, and leave

Then, if 1) occurred: If the person did not take a screenshot/get evidence, he or she would be told so, have the report denied, but still would probably be refunded from a kind moderator. Or, on the flipside, if the player does have evidence, the scammer would be banned, and the items either would or would not be found. If not, I'm sure a mod would refund the player regardless. Then, that player would know what to do in future trades.

If 2) happened, the problem is solved; the player knows to be more careful in future trades.

If 3) happened, well, have fun playing on another server, I guess? If you don't bother even trying to get the spawner back, then I suppose it didn't mean that much to you in the first place. Then, if you decide to quit because of it, then so be it. As I said previously, we have plenty of other great players.

 

99% of scams can be prevented by having both patience and common sense. That's why you really do trade at your own risk. If you decide to forgo the aforementioned two qualities in the hopes of getting an item quicker, faster, or for cheaper, then you simultaneously increase your risk of being scammed.

 

SMOD pls, support

 

This would make is so much easier to make money

Support

 

no support.