_iAlex Appeal - Major player and staff disrespect/harassment - [Cyk753]

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    • Punished account name: _iAlex
    • Platform or server punished on: Skyblock
    • Ban message if applicable: “Major player and staff disrespect/harassment.”
    • Have you read the rules? Yes I have read the rules and code of conduct.
    • Do you think this punishment was incorrect? Addressed in the following sections.
    • Why should you be unbanned? See below.
    • Please list any other times you were punished on Skyblock: I have been banned previously, years ago.
    • If you know, tag the staff member that banned you: Cyk753
    • Do you understand and accept our rules and code of conduct? Yes I do.




    The following appeal is all stated with all due respect to the staff team and other members who were involved. I have taken the days in-between my ban, and this appeal to reflect on the situation, and own up to the role I played in this situation. Though I have done this, I do not believe that everything was handled correctly, and would like to take this time to address them in this appeal.

    I was banned on February 9, 2021, for “Major player and staff disrespect/harassment”. The major staff disrespect or harassment is beyond me. I cannot recall any specific statement I have said to a staff member that day that is reason for a ban. Though I do not remember, it does not excuse my actions, and to the staff member I “disrespected” I apologize. If at all possible, I’d like to know who the staff member was so that I can properly issue an apology to him/her. They are volunteers for this community, and I would like to repair any potential broken bonds with this person.

    Secondly, player disrespect or harassment. With gender and sex being a topic becoming intertwined in politics, I find it confusing on how a ban was issued based on it, specifically against one player rather than both sides. With statements along the lines of men are not needed, and KAM(Kill All Men), statements using the word female when referring to women, seem more than fitting. Granted I do not remember all of the details of what happened, I am more than willing to follow up this comment with responses to any specific statement shown in the logs.

    In regards to the rule:
    Inappropriate and/or disrespectful comments are comments made to taunt ones race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, gender, personal values, beliefs, or ethnicity. These comments include, but are not limited to, sexual subjects, potentially offensive subjects, potentially sensitive subjects, or hateful subjects. Respect should be given to every player on the server despite our differences, and any comments made with the intent of circling someone out or making someone uncomfortable will result in punishment.

    I do not believe that using the term female in regards to the women is inappropriate or disrespectful, nor does it taunt their gender. I see no reason that the term female is grounds to have action taken against a player. If this is the case, then do statements about how men are not needed, and that society will evolve past a point to need men fall under the same scrutiny?

    As stated above, I do not recall any specific statements or players who made statements, and am willing to address anything in following replies.
     
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    You were banned for a combination of things: slandering staff, making misogynistic comments, and harassing a player.

    Just because you did not say something directly to a staff member does not mean it is okay to go around both in public and private messages spreading hateful comments about them. There were numerous reports of your offensive comments from many players. The Code of Conduct is a part of the rules and further explains some of the disrespectful behavior that staff cannot allow on any of the Skyblock platforms.

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    You were not banned for using the word "female". It was for harassing several female members of the community and generally being sexist in public. These remarks made a large portion of the community uncomfortable. We all must do our part to recognize and stop discrimination against any group. The Staff Team work to ensure that all players have a safe and friendly environment to play Skyblock, as stated in the beginning of the Rules.

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    Players are allowed to speak about politics and other issues as long as they can debate the ideas respectfully. If someone decides to be hurtful or toxic or troll, that does not give you the right or permission to retaliate and be rude or worse. That will never be an acceptable justification for your own actions. You must not escalate situations, does not matter the topic. The proper way to deal with this on our platforms is to take screenshots of the conversation as well as real name information and create a report. Or you may ask player(s) to stop and/or switch topics. Or you may choose to use the /ignore playername command.

    Also, you had a fight with another player and you maliciously decided to pay someone to donate in their name to downgrade their rank. That is not a prank. That was incredibly mean to take away the services they already had available on the server. That was a clear abuse of the donation function and a huge waste of the Staff Manager’s time. Additionally, after this incident had been dealt with, you constantly went out of your way in chat in order to show how proud you were of doing this. You also used it to make fun of this player several times, and kept harassing them in public even after they had clearly asked you to stop, to the extent where they found no other alternative than to stop playing on the survival server in order to avoid any confrontation with you. You say that what you did was not a “bannable offense” in order to justify your actions, when in fact this sort of behavior will never be tolerated in our server.

    Since your recent actions and behaviors have been explained to you in more detail, I hope that you reflect on them deeply. Think about how you hurt people and think if you really want to be a polite member of this community.
     
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    Okay, thank you for clarifying. The staff "disrespect" took place because of the fact that my staff application got denied very quickly. I did not agree with the reasoning behind the denial so I reposted it just for it to get taken down again minutes later. I was simply aggravated to a sense, and I thought it would be safe for me to take out my anger in messages with another player. I was not aware that the logs of my private messages could be used against me in order to issue a ban. This does not make my actions acceptable however, and I do deeply apologize to the staff member I was talking about in that conversation. It was not my goal to disrespect the staff member in any way, and it will never be my intentions to ever disrespect or harass anyone on purpose.

    I do not recall purposefully harassing any female players. I was included in an intense argument with a few players and I was stating my opinions on the topic. I did not realize my personal thoughts were coming off as "offensive" to the females of this server. Once again, it was not my part of my intentions to purposefully offend or harass any players, it was just to give my thoughts on the topic and debate with the opposing side about the argument. Looking back now, I do understand how my opinions could've seemed as if they were intended to be disrespectful not because of what I was saying, but because of my tone in which how I was typing it out. It has came to my attention multiple times that I come off as a more aggressive individual and for that I am deeply sorry. This is just how I am and it is not on purpose. Now that this has come to my attention, I will definitely try harder when it comes to future debates on this server, as well as real life. I would never want to purposefully offend anyone, especially when they take high offense to it. Thank you once again for clarifying everything for me.

    I was not aware that speaking about politics was allowed. I understand why the rule states that we must debate respectfully, however, political arguments will not always turn out to be as peaceful as everyone will hope for. I have a very strong political opinion when it comes to the topic of the debate the players and I were arguing about. I apologize that my thoughts and opinions came off as offensive but if I was offending anyone, why didn't they /ignore me? You yourself stated that players can use the /ignore command if they feel as if they'd rather not see the players messages. This means that anyone that did not agree with my thoughts could've simply typed /ignore _iAlex and ended their suffering from my "harassment".

    With all due respect, you are making it seem as if I was the only person in this argument that was "harassing" other players. I did in-fact take offense to multiple statements that were being said towards me, but I did not see it necessary to screenshot, and report the player because of their offensive comments towards my gender. I instead preferred to state facts regarding their false statements, and give multiple reasons why they were incorrect(in my opinion). It is understandable why I was banned and part of me does agree with the ban; but in my opinion, certain things could've been dealt with a little differently. A serious warning from a moderator would have worked, as well as a temporary mute. I feel like a ban was a little much, nonetheless, I do respect your judgement. It is highly unfortunate that you were not online at the time of this debate/argument, because I feel as if you were online at the time, things would've been handled differently. I once again am sorry for this whole situation, and if something like this were to take place in the future, I will definitely keep to myself as I do not think it is worth it to list my opinions and risk getting reported by a player that does not agree with my thoughts.

    When this took place, I was under the impression that this player and I were on good terms. I was not aware that she was going to find it malicious because I personally found it funny and I thought she would too. I knew this was not going to permanently damage her account on this server and saw it as an amusing prank to pull on a fellow friend.

    I will have to respectfully disagree with your statement that I was "proud" after the fact. I was not proud, I was in shock due to the fact that I did not see it as a reason to get very angry. I was also aware that this player had an alternate account that was in-fact a Skygod rank that she could use for the small duration of time that her main account was temporarily unable to execute certain commands. This was my first time doing something like this, but I knew it was a fixable prank so I saw it as comedic. I was not aware that she was going to be in such distress because of this prank, or else I wouldn't have done it at all.

    I understand how it is seen as a waste of a staff managers time, and I do apologize to that staff manager for having to deal with that. I realize that these types of actions are not acceptable on this server and I have come to the conclusion that I will need to have a major personality makeover if I want to survive on this server in peace. I was not aware that some players saw my jokes as harassment and I will never do anything that will gain any reaction from any players besides my close friends on this server.

    I personally, once again, believe that this player could've simply used the /ignore command to deal with not wanting to have any confrontation with me. I do not understand why these players couldn't take 5 seconds out of their gaming time to /ignore me if they were not happy with their "confrontation"(s) they were having with me.

    I really do appreciate you going out of your way to explain in more detail everything I did that led to my ban. I can passionately say that I am sorry for everything I have done that led to this ban, and I will change to better fit into the rules and regulations of this server.

    I'd also like to point out the fact that I've been an active member on this server since 2015 and out of the 5 years I have been playing this server, I only have 1 ban under my belt. I would never purposefully intend to harass any players on this server and I truly am highly apologetic for my actions and I hope that I will never have to appeal a ban ever again. Thank you.
     
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    Delay in response was from gathering thoughts from other Staff Team members.

    Regarding staff disrespect:


    You need to stop lying. You did not just make comments in private chat. You were also reported for saying those kinds of things over voice chats and in game. Just a small example is below.

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    You say you have only been banned once, but you have been infracted in game several times over the last some months for chat offenses. Clearly these warnings were not enough for you, even the one saying you received a final warning about harassment (specifically comments you made against women) which happened 5 days before your ban. You have a clear history of making chat offenses. Punishment is increased when players do not listen to staff and continue to break rules.

    Your application was closed because you were advertising it everywhere which goes against the rules. And, frankly, that fact that you thought it was OK to go around talking like this just shows you are no where near mature enough to be a Staff member at this time. You better learn to keep your anger in check. You also need a strong understanding of all the server rules. You do not get to talk about whatever and then blame it on other people for getting offended. You must take responsibility for the things you say and how you say them at ALL times.


    Regarding reports:

    Everyone has a right to create a report when they think someone has broken a rule. Does not matter if it was said in private or public. They do not not just the have to use the /ignore command. It is a good thing that people actively watch out for each other and not turn a blind eye at hurtful comments. This is what you are asking them to do. And it is unacceptable behavior from someone who wants to be a Staff member.

    Each person is entitled to their own opinion, but Skyblock is primarily a game. And it is a game with younger players. This is not some private place to spout whatever you want and expect people to not take you seriously or not feel hurt. People have the right to play in peace. And again, you were the only person reported. Feel welcome to report things yourself instead of making the discussions in chats worse.


    Regarding player responsibility:


    It is not up to staff to give out warnings to every single person. That is why the report section is available to everyone. Each person must do their part and check their own behaviors too. You seem to think that your present situation would have been different if a moderator was in game at the time. It is not right to pretend to be nice when a staff member is online and be disrespectful when someone is not. In your specific situation, your ban was discussed by several Staff members who agreed it was necessary to stop your increasing offenses.


    Regarding the de-ranking:

    From your responses, you clearly do not have empathy or remorse for what you did to the other player. And below is you saying so in game.
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    Furthermore, you have not said anything about apologizing to the player or even promising to not do it again. The player lost a privilege that is no longer allowed because of the de-ranking. You did do permanent damage to that account.


    Regarding your overall appeal responses:

    This appeal is about you, not what everyone else did or how you think they are wrong. The appeal process is not about respectfully disagreeing with every point. It is about coming to an understanding of how your words and actions affect other people, recognizing that you were in the wrong, showing sincere remorse, and then promising not to do it again. We do not see any of that in your responses. It is insincere and it seems like your only goal is to be unbanned. If you care about helping to make this community a safer and tolerable place for everyone else, you should show it by being a role model to others. And if you really want to be on the Staff Team, you sorely need to realize you will be working with everyone who is already on it.

    We have no choice but to extend your ban until you demonstrate understanding as to why your actions cannot be tolerated on our server and until you can prove to that you will follow the rules once allowed back on skyblock. It will be two weeks longer. This appeal will be kept open for you in the hopes that you will be reflect further and, in time, develop a deeper understanding of how your words affect and actions affect other people and describe ways to not do them again.
     
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    Is this appeal going to stay open forever or will someone eventually close it because it was resolved? Or will it go to the appeal archive? Just curious thanks.
     
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