Closed Make water-flushing farms illegal

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  1. Prometheus
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    I don't want to get involved in the argument, however I feel like in fairness to Novembree if you are going to say she is stating these facts, screenshots would be useful to prove context as the design is legal, but when excessive and creates lag is not. It is all interpretation realistically, if she said the design is legal that is one thing, but she may not have meant that design with 300 layers. I only say this, as quoting interpretations of moderator's statements isn't always a great idea
     
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    Hey there, I just wanted to pop on this thread to clarify what I meant in my reply to ben. so my words are not misconstrued.

    When I said flush farms aren't illegal but advised against I meant this; while flush farms (the design itself) is not illegal to create and use on skyblock, we advise heavily against the use of them. This specific farm type is known to create server lag issues and TPS drops. If your flush farm is heavily impacting the server's performance, the staff team may dismantle your farm as it goes against our code of conduct, specifically heading 3. Depending on the severity, a punishment to the owner of the farm may be issued.

    Hope this clears it up :)

    Side note - while I understand people have differing opinions on the subject, please keep your replies and rebuttals kind and considerate. This isn't the place to belittle someone for their opinions, whether you agree with them or not.
     
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    Perhaps we could have some sort of hopper type device that detects mobs as they spawn, kills them and deposits their loot into the hopper. Like a mob hopper…….a Mopper!!

    Given players usually just sell the items for balance we could even do away with the Mopper and just have hoppers that dispense balance straight to players. Like a balance hopper……. a Bopper!!

    Or we can just go that extra step and make the server creative because we’re so close to that anyway.
     
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    As much as I enjoy the idea of Moppers and Boppers (truly glorious names), perhaps making some form of mob arena or adding spawners for hostile mobs would be another alternative. (Don't wanna get too off topic in this thread tho)
     
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    I'm quite interested to see some updated graphs as those are ~1+ years old (would be cool). Also add droppers on-top of your hoppers ;). Also found out (Gnembon) that each platform adds ~1+ ms to TPS so you would need 50 to reduce TPS by 1. Server should try to find a way to reduce the lag water causes, for example reduce the amount of block updates it cause or like restone optimization which depowers it form 15 - 0 instead of 15,14,13...,0.
     
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    Tbh I really want an excuse to have every possible letter in front of the phrase "opper"
     
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    Nice I wanna see those new graphs. Mob arena would be cool to add, so we have another way to get mob drops. In the mean time take a look at this sick farm.
     

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    Me too! Hopefully you unlock your island soon so I can test while your chunks are loaded in compared to unloaded. Only makes things a tad more difficult, but it'll get done eventually! I should have the graphs out within the week.
     
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    Islands never been locked so have a blast with the grinder. ;)
     
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    Your island is indeed locked at the moment.
     
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    Wierd, wasnt me who locked it.

    (Those sneaky staff)
     
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    I had a little bit of spare time today and conducted a Line Chart representing today's results. Here is the result.
    JAWD543's farm.png

    I'm not too savvy when it comes to creating charts and whatnot on Excel, but my next set of information that I will be putting together will include Time/Date, etc across a number of days.

    As you can see, when your farm is on the TPS sat around 14-15.
    On the other hand, when your farm is off, the TPS was around 18-19.

    I also took these screenshots below a few minutes ago just to add (they were 2 minutes apart).

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    At 1:46 I took the first screenshot which (clearly) shows me at JAWD's mob farm. The TPS was at 16.41.
    Two minutes later when I was at my island, the TPS immediately shot up to 18.73.

    That makes a difference of 2.32 within minutes of your farm being unloaded.

    Like I said previously, I will be running further tests to give everyone a larger sample size to look at, but these are very preliminary!
     
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    This data seems to track - I think JAWD's farm has something like 150-ish platforms so a hit of around 2-3 tps makes sense.
     
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    130 so around 2.6 ;)
     
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    Graph no context. <specific user> is very convenient. Only one specific user uses this type of farm? Many problem graph. not like.
     
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    Not sure what you’re saying, but feel free to make your own graph if you have a problem with mine.
     
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    My issue was that I didn't understand the graph, as the way you worded your post as well as the graph, it makes it seem as if there is one player causing the server to drop 8 tps. I have now read mijiperki's thread and understand the context. My new issue is that your thread does not need to exist as mijiperki's thread explains the lag in much greater detail, and if you truly had any intention of making a suggestion to better the server, you'd get in contact with a staff member who can do something about the lag, show them the thread (acting under the assumption that they haven't already seen it) and ask them if there is anything they can do about this. mijiperki provides possible (not fleshed out, but possible) solutions to the issue at hand, you've just copied their graphs and have made a thread to make it seem like you've contributed something to the server/community, or just to farm messages for your forums profile (for whatever reason you'd want to do that).

     
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    Mijiperki’s (which you should’ve already known) isn’t a suggestion to make the design illegal… it is a DISCUSSION post about the design. And if you read the follow up comments here, we discovered that the one singular person was accountable for 2.3-2.6 TPS. I never claimed that he was accountable for 8. In fact, the graph doesn’t even come close to showing that much of a difference.

    And secondly, I made this post after communicating with a few staff members about the design type and the legalities and whatnot. Making this suggestion was certainly talked about.
     
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    You are discussing alot on this thread how this design makes the server lag (Btw, still no irrefutable proof of this)
     
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    I’m pretty sure the two screenshots within 2 minutes apart + mijiperki’s entire thread is proof… but to each their own, I guess. People don’t believe things if it goes against their narrative. If you disagree / don’t trust my graph that was presented, feel free to conduct your own! :) I’m anxiously waiting to see yours, since you’re saying mine isn’t “irrefutable proof.”
     

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