wither skulls

Discussion in 'Server Gameplay Suggestions' started by UrsusMaiorus, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. UrsusMaiorus
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    add back a wither skull drop rate (very low) to allow new players to get them. I think that it is not fair to new players to have no chance of getting some while older players farmed several stacks. This also allows withers which is a fun boss mob to fight with your friends. This only serves to improve the game
     
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    This would ruin the wither economy all the people that paid a ton of grass would instantly go worthless as either skulls will drop to like 32 grass each, I can’t think of 1 person who farmed stacks of it most players have 1-5 skulls and many few have more than that
     
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    I do support this. The drop rate has to be very low though, like 0.05%. This may also ruin the economy build around this. So for now Neutral.
     
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    Most new people have none. Even I, who has played for about a year have none. It may be unfair for new players and discourage them from playing.
     
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    1 wither skull will not discourage new players from playing all the wither heads I have right now I bought off other players for high prices, n0 matter how low the drop rate there are endless with skeletons, there's no way to ensure they won't get easily farmed
     
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    No support, agree with what monster said it would collapse an already rather stable economy on wither skulls, plus if this is the problem that is causing new people to leave, that they believe it’s unfair, then it kinda feels like we will be better off without them anyway. Who honestly thinks that; “I can’t get a wither skull without actually having to work to buy one, instead I’ll just quit because it’s unfair”

    We will be fine without these players.
     
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    so, according to you, we should make all dropped heads available to all players because it's unfair to them that they weren't there to have a chance to get one?

    work towards saving for a wither skull like most other players who didn't farm them when they were available.

    also please can y'all stop saying 'this will ruin the wither skull economy'?? tbh i'm tired of seeing this same excuse used on every suggestion made about something that's even slightly valuable lmao
     
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    Support i like the idea
     
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    I understand why the suggestion has been made, and I see the frustration for new players who might want to have skulls for their own use.

    However, they’re increasing becoming like the event heads, or other mob heads such as creepers - their only real purpose is decorative. Unless, of course, you want to spawn the wither to get the boss title appear on your island. If the latter is the case, I would argue that they perhaps should retain their value as that is a rare thing, and most likely should be kept that way.

    I’m neutral though, because I understand that eventually if skulls are being consumed or kept by players who no longer play, there will come a time when there are very few to be traded - so perhaps an incredibly low drop rate, or a limitation that the loot only drops in the nether might not be so bad.
     
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    There is one other thing. I recently stepped into the banner business. Here I came to realise how important creeper heads, but also wither skeleton skulls are. If there would be a small drop chance of skulls these banners would become easier to make,because if you make one now it is a complete waste of money.
     
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    Ok



    If the server is going to introduce wither heads as being a farmable item whats the point of even having these heads? These heads are on this server for the purpose of it being valuable, thats why its a "collectors" item and not just some item u can farm for. This would just discourage any other players that have these wither heads to even come on. The price of these heads might drop down even lower than 32 grass because u make it farmable. Its like making irl diamonds no longer rare. Then whats the point of having them?



    How are they going to monitor withers? If u wanted to fight them the only way would be in the nether or smt. This would lag the dying server even more...



    I don't think even introducing a way to get wither heads through farming is smart, cause then more and more donors are just going to farm them, and they could literally control the economy and boom, wither heads become completely worthless. Even if they can't control the economy nether stars would be worth nothing, beacons would be worth nothing, then what use them to make banners????



    All im saying is that its a [edited] idea and would just ruin the fun for collectors and other players that want to trade their way up to get a wither head. If u really want one, GET GUD and sell stuff, make a shop, etc... Get grass and somebody might be willing to sell one to u.



    -Sorry for the long response, I kinda really bored.
     
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  12. UrsusMaiorus
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    in the beging of the server they were farmable so og players got 100 while new players get 0

    we u there in the begining when u could farm then
     
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    Actually there were a few who farmed stacks of wither heads.

    And no support. The ability for wither skeletons to drop their heads was removed for a reason so I doubt it'll be added back even if they add it back with a very low chance to drop them.
     
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    It’s not a bad idea. We need to stop denying suggestions because it upsets those crazy over the economy. So many things never will get added because of people being upset it will ruin an already ruined economy.
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    thx k.th
     
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    I would consider myself a hoarder of wither skulls. In fact, most of my net worth comes from wither skulls. I completely agree with monster. This would absolutely batter the economy for wither skulls and most likely drop them lower than a creeper head. I wouldn’t call myself an economic enthusiast on Skyblock, although I believe those items in the game that are unobtainable, should stay like that.
    No support.
     
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  17. UrsusMaiorus
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    most of the people who dont suport are the people who would lose grass
    also did u farm them ever?
     
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    Exactly why your suggestion is getting no supports.

    People hoard the wither skulls because there is no way to get more and they are becoming a rare rather than something accessible to the community.
    But an item becoming less rare after being rare is not going to hurt anyone. You will feel ripped off but the trade happened ages ago; we all sometimes get that feeling when we buy things then they become cheaper.
    You can't make profit off the skulls anymore... were people actually going to trade an item you can no longer obtain and it uncertain how many exist?
    And is it the end of the world if a rare becomes not rare? It may suck for a while but there are other rares out there and people can adapt.

    It is what benefits the community as a whole, not the rares traders. The more we focus on small groups the worse the server will become for new players and our server survivablity in the long term. There are several issues affecting how engaged players are and we should be trying to make the server more accomodating. Less rares is a good thing.

    I have suggested many cool items be added to crates, shops and more for classic back in the day and what stood out was the way Cyp considered the economy because players would get upset at him. I can almost guarantee Crew has that same pressure now, so it would be nice to ease that by not making it the focus of discussion any longer in suggestions.

    If for some reason wither skulls cannot be added back because of an exploit, the possibility of spawning withers, people being greedy and trying to farm at /warp mob or any negative server interactions then perhaps its not a good idea.
    But it also makes new players feel like skyblock is a more vanilla experience with an opportunity for them to have the same luxury old players had when we were able to get those skulls. Maybe give people an incentive to not be afk if a valuable item was very rare to have a wither skeleton drop it.

    You can call me a hater of the skyblock economy if you wish.
    Because some people tend to take what I say personally because I may come across harsh, trust me, don't, because I don't mean it that way.
    I am just hoping some people will put aside thinking about the economy to really see the potential the server has when less items are exclusive and hoarded.

    Thank you
     
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    No I joined in November 2019 and through hard graft, some leggy keys I bought and some help from my coop, we got ourselves in the position to afford these things. If you work for these items they are very easily obtainable, but no one wants to do the hard bit, try making something instead of moaning that it isn’t given to you. No offence meant of course, but if you don’t want to come up with ideas and follow through with them, then don’t expect to be able to afford the expensive things.
     
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    I don’t think you could ever exactly farm them in a different way than you do now. From my knowledge, wither skulls were an old legendary crate prize until they were later replaced by the creeper head. The only real way of hoarding them is buying them off other players. My personal wither skull collection isn’t massive, although the combined value of them in grass is.
     

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