Closed Sign change at /warp casino.

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  1. KhalDrogo
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    There is a sign at Warp Casino that states “Skyblock doesn’t condone gambling” however this statement is contradicted by Skyblock’s inaction's/actions.

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    The word ‘condone’ is always used in regard to something that is considered bad, illegal, immoral, objectionable, etc. So the use of this word suggests that Skyblock understands that gambling is not a good thing, on this server at least.

    But to condone something is to accept or allow it, despite knowing that it is bad, immoral, etc.

    Drogo believes the sign should read “Skyblock condones gambling” as that is what Skyblock is doing. Skyblock is allowing gambling, Skyblock is accepting gambling.
    And now, Skyblock is promoting gambling, and educating players on how to go about it on their server.

    So Drogo’s suggestion is that one of three things happen to resolve this contradiction.
    1. The sign be changed to read “Skyblock condones gambling”
    2. The sign be removed entirely, and no mention is made on Skyblocks stance on a practice that it seems to acknowledge is bad, illegal, or immoral.
    3. Ban gambling on the server.

    Definition of condone from several sources.
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    Drogo acknowledges that the /warp casino command has been disabled, but as the feature is still there and is identified by floating text as "Warp Casino", Drogo will refer to is as such.
     
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    From responses given by members of the staff team id say option 2 is the most fitting.
     
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    Please check the definition of all the words before using falseness as an argument, also please to remember check the use case is the intended one grammatically, in this sentence gambling is used like in "I gambled all my winnings on the last race." and not "He's gambling his reputation on this deal.". Two completely separate meanings according to The University of Oxford.

    Checking the definition of gambling we can observe the following according to The University of Oxford:
    "to risk money on a card game, horse race, etc."
    As we all know grass is not real money in any way, but still grass can be bought with real money, the thing is the definition mentions risk, and to be risk there should be a possibility of said real money not being lost since otherwise it would only be a expense. When buying grass with real money theres no risk of loosing money because the money will always get lost, not being able to profit in any way. Another proof is that Microsoft themselves dont consider this gambling in a legal document, legal documents are a great way to check the intended meaning of words since bureaucracy tends to use the exact meaning of words and grammar.

    With this we can conclude that the sentence "Skyblock doesn't condone gambling." is in no way inaccurate since it refers to casinos that do use real life currency and those arent condoned, proof of this is that there are none in the server and are against the rules.
     
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    i can smell the arguments already :skull::skull:
     
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    Kuriboh_kun, I shall contact you privately as I cannot properly address my feelings for you on this forum.

    When the dictionary gives several meanings for a word, you can't just pick the one that best suits your argument and ignore the others.
    This is from the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary.
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    Note: It contains the definition you used and another you choose not to. So as you see, although I suspect you already know, gambling is also "to risk losing something in the hope of being successful".

    Given you had this definition in front of you and chose not to use it, it would appear that your post was only intended to antagonise....once again.
     

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    I know that this topic is very hot right now but we aren't here to argue if gambling is immoral here. It is a suggestion to change the sign so we should only be seeing supports or no supports.

    Noobcrew and a lot of community members don't seem keen to have people banned from running casinos so in doing so would cause more damage. The other two suggestions are workable.
    There is a chance in doing an action there will still be people who disagree.

    As I have been saying everyone is entitled to an opinion but it is imperative that opinions are expressed in a respectful manner.

    So please, no discussions about casinos and morals here , just about the signs and the suggestions. We have another thread for discussions and debates. Thank you.
     
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    Its kinda dead tbh. Only people left arguing about it are Drogo and Kurbi. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    Thanks Krissy. It’s a little more than a sign. It’s a statement from Skyblock that they don’t condone (accept) gambling, when clearly they do.
     
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    As i clearly stated, check the correct use case, words dont have 2 meanings once they are inside a sentence, thats why the dictionary has examples, examples that i used in my argument, i didnt made them up myself.
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    You cant just pick and choose the meaning that best suits you, the sentence has one intended since the moment its made, for example when i say "There's a bat on the garage" its not the animal and the sports item at the same time, its either one or the other, context can help us distinguish but at the end the best source is the author, still in the sign case, the second meaning of gamble refers to the common expresion used for risky situation in daily life as the examples clearly explain, so we can be sure that the sign refers to the other kind of casinos related to risk and money, since as i said, we count with the context of no casino that would fit that definition existing on the server.

    In conclusion, i think the sign is great since its an important message to give players, it talks about the risks of real-life currency casinos and how not all games of chance are harmless, i think currently is totally accurate and should be kept so i disagree with the suggestion.

    Also, the comment about antagonising is completely out of place.
     
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    You clearly choose to ignore Krissy’s post.

    I will continue to attempt to educate you.
    The statement is quite ambiguous and so is taken to apply to all forms and definitions of gambling.
     
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    So that would rule out option 3 leaving the other two which won't really have any effect on anyone's game play.
    Either 1 or 2 will simply serve to correct the statement as to Skyblocks condoning of gambling. Be it explicit or implicit.
     
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    Yeah. Sign makes no sense if there is casinos
     
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    This is just common sense.
    If you are going to allow and promote gambling, it makes no sense to say you don't condone gambling.
     
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    This suggestion will be put for evaluation.

    Closing thread.
     
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