Resolved Seeking official clarification on gambling.

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  1. KhalDrogo
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    Skyblock's code of conduct states that players must use common sense when playing the server and many banning moderators have referenced this when the bannable offence wasn't listed specifically in the rules.

    There is a sign at warp info in which Skyblock makes the statement "Skyblock doesn't condone gambling."
    Common sense would imply that we shouldn't do anything that is not condoned by Skyblock and if we do we are violating the code of conduct.

    So I ask a direct question to Noobcrew, does Skyblock allow gambling?
     
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    yes. thats why legendary keys are a thing 8D
     
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    Thanks MrEPro , but I’ll await the official word of Crew because what is done contradicts what is said.
     
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    Hope you like waiting
     
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    I’m sure he will answer when he can. It’s a pretty simple yes/no answer. And I’m sure it’s been considered.
     
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    That sign is genuinely the most contradicting thing I have ever seen... even if it does say do it at your own risk.
     
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    Yes ~Sky~ that is the contradiction I speak of and seek clarification on from Noobcrew
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    So one one line they claim that gambling is unacceptable, unforgivable and harmful. And on the next they say go and do it.
     
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    likely because the author of the sign didn't know what condone meant.
     
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    No we don't condone "gambling".

    As i've told Microsoft (as they brought it up), the casino based redstone machines is more or less a flaw in vanilla redstone and that we aren't going to further restrict redstone ourselves to inhibit this. They seemed to have agreed.

    They can fix it if they like but it is not truly our problem. The casino based machines are based on vanilla redstone and appear legitimate in not being a scam aspect. We will always look into abusive users however and will take action as needed.

    It has been a topic of discussion and yes we showed a tutorial on how to do it in the past which we went back on, we don't want to encourage anything but we were just showing what can be done, and this was actually to reduce illegitimate machines or actions.

    Hopefully this helps on giving some info about it all. We can of course make it a rule but we would only do that if we feel it is a negative aspect on the server or if we feel it is something the community largely agrees with to get rid of.
     
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    So is this more on a technicality, even though we know why the redstone has been put the way it is? I think this was informative, but I am curious on the stance of crate keys that you buy from /buy, like the epic and legendary ones? Is that not also gambling? I'm just asking because I know others would also be bringing this up too
     
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    When it comes to Crate Keys, the rewards that are offered are mostly collectible and don't offer a p2w advantage.

    We don't have ranked stats, leaderboards, balance tops, etc. Overall the servers aren't considered p2w. We want our servers to last and we don't give out rewards that negatively the economy over time.

    As of now, we are fully compliant with the EULA and we've been in contact with Microsoft/Mojang numerous times this past year on making sure that we are when it comes to everything on our webstore.
     
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    Yes you do
     
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    I don’t believe it’s a flaw in the redstone mechanics, it simply made possible by the fact that droppers randomise the slot the they drop from. The practice of gambling is so openly done and advertised so prolifically and as Skyblock allows it and doesn’t punish it, it is clear that Skyblock does indeed condone it. Saying that you don’t makes no sense I’m afraid.
    There is no need to inhibit the redstone mechanics further to prevent it and that seems to be the only reason you’ve given for allowing it to continue, you just need to stop allowing it, warn players who do it and ban players that continue to do it just as you do with every Skyblock rule. Flying machines and kill machines, are just redstone mechanics and they are not condoned.
    Same goes for inappropriate builds.

    I’m not going to push the issue, not here at least, because the issue isn’t just here, it’s on many many Minecraft servers. But Skyblock has thrown the common sense rule out the window on this one as the actions or inactions don’t match the words. But Skyblock aren’t alone in that.

    Regarding the webstore, just because that’s been brought up, that isn’t compliant with Tebex’s AUP.
    The sale of crate keys clearly violates point 1.6 of the AUP. But that too is not restricted to Skyblock so I’m taking that up with Tebex because that is on them because they don’t condone it but then clearly they do.
    I’ll note that question that Teeler asked about crate keys was about them also being considered gambling. You replied to that to say that they don’t give a p2w advantage but that wasn’t the question they asked.

    And I know Microsoft/Mogang are a bigger beast but they are no better by not restricting gambling in their EULA. Their policies claim to make Minecraft as safe as possible and clearly they aren’t doing that.
     
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    Noobcrew is new around here, please do not mind him
     
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    Game of Chance: Crate
    Money : Money for crate keys


    As someone who has casinos I'm all for gambling, but no need to lie about it not being gambling.
     
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    Leaderboards are related to island levels, which consist of all blocks placed on an island. This isn't something competitive nor is there any reward for reaching the top that would consider this feature as being p2w.

    I don't see an issue with natural redstone and dropper mechanics that doesn't negatively impact the server. And we're not going to have staff members waste their time warning and banning players as a result. I think the machines are overall just for fun, most cost a single grass block as far as I know and appear to be legitimate. The difference between flying machines for instance is that they are designed to lag the server or cause other harm to the server or players.

    Along with this, I feel enforcing rules on this would be taking away a feature that players created, just like the map arts which are always really interesting. As usual staff can step in when necessary if things get out of hand, scamming machines and etc, just like staff step in on inappropriate map arts or builds when needed.

    As for the Crate Keys since it was brought up, they do not reward real money therefore they are not considered as "gambling" nor do they give items that give players an overall advantage, so they are not considered as "p2w" either. Both aspects Microsoft does not allow as it is against their EULA (you mentioned that gambling is not).

    Again, our server and webstore has been evaluated by Microsoft numerous times and we are fully compliant with their guidelines so i'm not sure what you're getting at. Tebex follows the same. The last time Microsoft contacted us, they asked of us to show the rewards and their chances in the description of the keys which we did. The crates give out pets, trails, rare collectible items, disguises, and so forth. There's obviously a fine line on what is acceptable and not, but "gambling" is the process of spending real money in an effort to potentially gain (or lose) real money.

    I'm sure this can be discussed back and forth for days and I already know how this will go, as i've answered the question, I am now locking this thread.
     
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