When you post a ban appeal, one of the questions is "did you read the rules"?

This is the stupidest question ever, as cyp's post
"The rules in the most in depth form" is incomplete.​

How many people even know that the construction of a nether portal is illegal?

It's reasonable to ban someone for breaking a posted rule they didn't read. It's totally unreasonable to ban people who break rules that aren't posted anywhere. /rules doesn't list any illegal items, or illegal structures such as portals or bridging. It shows mostly basic rules of politeness and prohibits island farming.

Cyp's post is much more comprehensive, but still has a number of missing rules. I have seen bans for almost all of these. It also omits several legal actions.

• AFK-autofarms are illegal.
• Rule 4 (no killing) does not mention suicide machines, dangerous parkour, and mob arenas as legal with proper warning.
• Consensual bridging with mod approval is legal as long as both parties stay within their 99x99.
  
• Killing a player's animals is illegal (minor as there are numerous mentions to not take what does not belong to you). NOTE: It would also need to mention that killing mobs in public spawners is legal.
  
• The construction of nether portals is illegal.
• Paypal (or anything but donations to a crew-owned server) to skybuck trade is illegal.
• Does not say god items may be owned by donor25 or below if given by an hr or ol coop.
• Although hacking falls under griefing, item duping is not specifically prohibited.
• Do not set warps off your island. I don't know if this includes spawn or the adminshop.
• Do not kill hostile mobs with nametags (not sure if this is illegal, but it should be).
  
• Ban evasion is not mentioned.
• Non-donors in the donor shop (you have to gain access to the shop to read the sign that it's illegal).
• Owning Gwism's head is illegal.
• Dark Oak, Acacia, and some flowers are illegal.

Madam Keeper has done excellent work trying teach the rules, and her /warp rules is currently the most up to date and complete compilation of the rules, but again, this is not Cyp branded. Also, it does have at least one outdated rule (sorry my friend, not trying to pick on you, just being thorough).

The fact that the rules are unclear results in a "wild west law" environment where mods sometimes are forced to say "because I said so" without any actual rules to back them up. I have a great example of this. LeePieGuy (I think) had a Gwism head for about a year. Andrew came along and confiscated it. He could not provide any proof that it was illegal. When I asked him about it, he had this to say:


I later talked to Gwism about this. He said he didn't want it out there and didn't know how it had gotten out in the first place. As far as I'm concerned someone screwed up and it wasn't Lee.

I discussed this at length with Andrew via forum pm. Some of his answers were less than satisfying.

"I know what you mean, as you said it's nice to have reassurance to these laws mods are putting down. But we discuss within the staff team, and yes, mods do make up rules as we go sometimes. It's just how it goes, we don't always have reassurance from an admin. So it leads to us making rules sometimes. Most of the time when cyp clearly dislikes a rule, he will maker sure to inform all staff. But the current system isn't going to change."

"Trust me there is A LOT that goes on behind closed doors. There is a whole section for staff where issues are held, when a mod needs help clarifying something, a lot of mods will comment, and sometimes Cyp. Obviously cyp and crew have been fine with how we are handling things considering this has been the same system for years, if you have a problem with the way the staff team is, then contact Cyp. Until then. There is no need to complain to a mod that is part of a staff team where we all basically do the same...."
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Andrew makes the excellent point that in the absence of clear rules, mods must do the best thay can. But if the mods get to make up rules as they go, there needs to be transparency and a guideline for how this is done. Again, only Cyp can fix this. The rules need to be accessible from in game, but no matter if this is done or not, they really need to be posted to the forum. It would solve a lot of issues.

 

Wow, I never realised this was such a problem until now, full support.

 

Yes.
There are many rules not on the list. Server specific as well.

There needs to be EVERY rule. That's not too much to ask, like in your post, mods have said that things are illegal, yet they have no proof that it it, no confirmation (That we can see) of that rule.

I'm globally banned for 'DDoS/DoX/Swat Threats', please explain to me where in the rules that is?

This is a big problem. Fix it.
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DDoS? If you did that you should be banned. Nothing personal.

It could loosely be enforced under 'no hacks' as a clause of rule 1 griefing, or by rules 5 and 6 which are disrespect and spam respectively.

Also, /rules mentions common sense, and while warp rules may not be official it does mention DDoS. Furthermore, the rules of the server are for it's users, not someone attacking it. It probably doesn't need to be a written rule, but sure why not.

 

"Threats" I have never once DDoSed anyone.
No hacks; Not a hack. Nor did I do it.
Griefing; Not really.
Disrespect; It may be, but I did it as a joke. Whereas I've seen others do real threats of anger and not having ANY punishment.

Common Sense; Needs defining, but yes I see where it could class as this, but, again, it was a joke.
/Warp rules on .org?; I don't recall it being there BEFORE I was banned.
Every rule needs to be specified. I saw no rule for DDoS threats, so I did it. If there is not a rule against it how are people to know it's illegal to say it. Just like possession of GoD books, I've heard of them, but not until recently did I know they were illegal.

 

An .org specific rules addition would be good. I'll see what I can do about it.

 

Nether portals are illegal? Who knew.

I also see AFK pools everywhere. Didn't know they were illegal.
I was also recently banned for "Server hate". I didn't know that was a rule.

 

Afk auto-farms, not pools. Server hate falls under disrespecting others and also common sense.

 

Afk pools are illegal if they are near farms.

Support

 

But can you at least mention that skyblock has passed acts of sedition?
It's weird you can be permanently banned for saying "This server sucks" but temp banned for scamming someone.

 

It's Crews server. He really hates when kids just start saying "This server sucks" "I hate this server" and such in the chat. That's why this became a ban-able offense, is because Crew himself will ban if he sees it. You can always appeal and plead that you were just upset and that it wont happen again.

 

I did (I was just pissed cause my island was reset), but I still think you should mention that you can't criticize the server.

 

Support. I think the rules are laid out well right now but mostly for net. I think org should get a more specific set of rules because there is still confusion throughout the community about many things

 

A lot of the rules are common sense, just because it's not listed doesn't mean you're allowed to do it, the rules are meant to be quick, short and direct, listing everything and making it look like an essay will make people ignore them.
Going to cover a few points, seeing as no one can grasp it.

-Owning/stashing spawned in items (unless it's by Noobcrew or CypriotMerks) isn't allowed, why would you be allowed to keep them?
-DDoSing is a federal offense, which can lead to jail time. That said anything that breaks real world laws also applies in SkyBlock, again common sense.

If you something seems to good for you to own, don't hide it, an example is these GoD books. Why would we allow you to own it? Common sense, if you cannot grasp this then I feel bad for you, see this as rude? Good, you may finally get the point.

 

"Common sense" Isn't really that specific.

 

I actually feel as you're just trying to find flaws in the rules, while most people lack the ability to realize that something doesn't fit, that it most normally shouldn't happen, however others just like twist things to try and get away with things.

Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not against the rules, the rules as I have said before are compressed for your convenience. What rule aren't you familiar with? I mean asking people wont get you shot or banned. If you have something you aren't aware is allowed or not, ask around.

 

Say if you had a GoD book on .NET, mods say "Tell a Mod if you have a book called GoD", and you do, some mods are still going to ban for it. Even if you didn't know they were illegal. - People are 'scared' to tell mods they have done something, or have something, seeing as they will get a ban. And yes, I know you can appeal for amnesty to get a reduced ban, but you would still get one. I'm pretty sure I've probably done something wrong and not got a ban for it, but I'm not going to appeal for amnesty as it will make my case worse. (Do not take that as I have done something wrong, I cannot remember all of it)

 

According to what laws? US laws?

If it's global laws, I guess I can't eat pork or steak in game. Also can't fish.

 

What's GoD book ..?