Global Concrete Custom Recipe

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    Welcome to my second ever suggestion. I don't believe this has been suggested before, but if so, deepest apologies.

    I'll start off by saying that at least in my opinion, concrete is one of those blocks that is overcomplicated to make and therefore is very rarely used or traded, however is a block that has great building purposes and could be widely sought after if easier to make. Personally, I find it very difficult nowadays to find anyone who actively sells concrete, and only come across it every once in a while.

    The current way to create concrete is by placing water on concrete powder (which is made using sand, gravel and dye) or vice versa, which makes it difficult to provide concrete in bulk.

    Consequently, my idea is to simplify things slightly by instead of placing water over concrete powder, create a custom recipe that allows you to combine concrete powder and a water bucket in a crafting table. This basically just removes the process of having to use water on concrete powder. It would look something like this:

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    The recipe doesn't have to be exactly this, if this is something you would like, I'd like your opinion on what recipe you prefer. Due to buckets becoming tradeable, I don't see it as being a major issue, however, alternatives could be used if preferable, such as ice instead of buckets. It would be nice to keep the vanilla route of making concrete along with having this, however, isn't overly necessary.

    The only potential issue I see with this idea is it could raise the value of gravel, which I'm unsure how players would feel about that.

    Thank you for reading!
     
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    I normally don't like custom recipes at least those that allow items that are unobtainable to become obtainable, but since this recipe only makes an already obtainable item more convenient to make, probably something that would be useful. On economy you can buy concrete or concrete powder for the same price from /shop but especially for survival specifically I'd imagine this would be a lot more useful since it's not able to be bought from /warp grass and can only be crafted. Saves time and avoids having to do a pointless process repeatedly and potentially even losing some on accident to CLag
     
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    Challenge is a part of the game, and removing aspects of challenge as well as making the game less 'vanilla' are two things I do not like to see. QoL changes are nice, but at a certain point it just isn't needed and you'll end up like those people on the spaceship in WALL-E when they face no challenges & have everything done for them.
     
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    True, but 90% of the time or more the suggestions like these don't get added anyways in the first place and this one specifically only really affects survival and overall doesn't save an overly immense amount of time, just some minutes off of the people who use concrete when building, I also normally don't like big changes that just make everyone lazy and able to make things with 2 clicks of a button, but this is probably a safer much less time saving QoL idea
     
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    I totally agree with you on that aspect and it is a fair point. I think even with the custom recipe, you still have to collect the ingredients, such as gravel from the nether, which still makes it somewhat of a challenge. Having to place the water on the concrete or vice versa is less of a challenge personally, as water is easy to obtain, but more of an inconvenience as it is timely and unnecessary. This custom recipe would just make it more widely available in trading, as the concrete market is very bleak if at all extant on survival.
     
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    i literally hate having to put the concrete powder in the water then mining it. support for this ! :)
     
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    Support its a pain in da booty doing that especially if u have large amounts of concrete u wanna solidify smh
     
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    This is great! Also stops you from possibly losing expensive blocks due to Clear Lag! Maybe something simulair to get clay rather than having to mine it up?
     
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    It wouldn't raise the price of gravel. It's simply simplifying a process that can provide certain risks when doing.

    The process of converting concrete powder to concrete has proved to me, in recent times, gruelling. This is because:

    When doing this process the conventional way (placing a stack of concrete powder on top of each other then mining the bottom one) I've managed to not only trigger lag spikes but also lose a portion of my concrete. This forced me to manually place and break each one of these in water, complicating the process a bunch and making it a lot more tedious. The server prevented a lot of my concrete powder from falling to the next block due to the amount of entity updates at once, causing it to delete.

    I also made floating concrete powder. Much wow.

    This suggested recipe takes nothing away from the price of concrete and quickens the process, for the cost of a bucket (by the looks of it). With them recently becoming legal to trade, I don't see why 1 grass worth of iron would be a bad cost to automatically converting what would be 30 minutes of work (for a simple 4 stacks of concrete, or 3 and a bit if you use the conventional method).
     
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    I can imagine it would, even if slightly. It makes producing concrete easier and so more appealing for those not currently doing so, increasing scarcity. Though I suppose it's a case of whether the quickened process reduces the price enough to combat this.
     
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    maybe. But it would also cost an extra bucket. I guess its not such a high price but it still throws an extra spanner in the works for those who want to make a lot of it quickly, cuz a stack would then cost an extra 8 grass. So it balances itself out a little. But I see where you’re coming from :)
     
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    Drogo has several DC’s of concrete placed on his island and more needed to complete a build.
    Concrete is simply one of those time consuming blocks to obtain and it should stay that way. Drogo could make the same argument for quartz. ‘Increase the drop rate because it takes too long.’
     
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    That is true
     
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    I usually make a tower of powder in the form of a cross, and leave the middle empty. At the top I place water in the hole for a moment and then break down the concrete from top to bottom.
     
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    Drogo uses schematica to auto place a single powder in the water. As soon as you mine it, it places the next one instantly. You could just tape your mouse to mine an entire inventory of concrete AFK.
    This would be quicker and easier than placing items into the crafting table to use the recipe suggested.
    Drogo does the same if he needs to break coal, red stone or lapis ores.
     
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    Remove the “I” element from your answers and ask yourself if the suggestion can benefit regular players in any way. “I do it like this and it’s easy” doesn’t have a place in suggestions because suggestions are about what’s best for the server as a whole. This includes experienced, casual and new players.

    Once people are aware of the custom recipe people will probably use it and if it was added there would be no actual risks to the economy or vanilla play style. It’s not changing the core objectives of skyblock. It has its uses. So at this point I see no reason not to add it.
    Who cares that much about a custom recipe to make a fuss about it being added.
     
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    im pretty neutral
    negatives less vanilla
    positives monor quality of life
     
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    Given the number of people who do use schematica, Drogo thinks it's perfectly fine placing alternative methods in this suggestion thread.

    Of course the recipe can benefit regular players but to what degree should we stray from vanilla to aid players.
    Are there other custom recipes that enable creation of blocks that are already obtainable or would this be the first? And in answer to the question of "Who cares", Drogo cares.
     
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    I think there are 3 custom recipes, the one I remember most is glass panes with slime to turn it back into glass blocks I think there are 2 others maybe iron bars for chain armor idk sorry my memory is horrible but if you go back some pages on forums it should show the ones they have
     
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    I agree and I support the addition of it because there isn't really a reason to not to, but like Drogo said at what point do you decide to stop adding custom features before it no longer becomes "vanilla" for some people. At some point you can't keep adding custom ideas before it no longer is entirely a vanilla like experience. Added plugins and original ideas aren't bad, but for a server that was the first of its kind and many people refer to as the "original" skyblock, many new players expect a classic experience. At some point if the server is meant to be an original experience you do have to not keep adding non-vanilla ideas. If it doesn't matter for who's adding the suggestions that not every idea is a quote unquote "original" experience that's also fine. Just depends on your point of view I guess so really no right or wrong answer.
    There is 11 custom recipes one of those being a custom skyblock mapart
     

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