Punished account name: craftwithabbie
Platform or server punished on: economy
Ban message if applicable: profiting greatly from a refund???
Have you read the rules? Yes I am aware of the rules.
Do you think this punishment was incorrect? Yes.
Why should you be unbanned? I don't understand why I've been banned, I haven't been online in almost a month.
Please list any other times you were punished on Skyblock: a few previouse chat mutes
If you know, tag the staff member that banned you: Novembree
Do you understand and accept our rules and code of conduct? Yes.

 

I logged on twice in the last three+ weeks. Once on computer to restock my spawn casino, and to make survival mapart, and once as tou mention briefly using chatcrFt. As someone said my casino had been closed off and I didn't know why or what happened. I've barely been on the last few weeks other than that.

I'm not sure how you've come to quote this figure?

When I lost my items (stacked shop bought items from the old shop menu), I opened a ticket for help to recover the lost items. As many of them were donated as Christmas presents to me last year. Amongst them were stacked instant health 2 potions. These were lost due to servers error when closing znd reopening the shulker as mentioned in that relevant thread.


After many weeks/months, I eventually had some of the items replaced. These were placed by staff themselves onto of my resource casino contained in three double chests with the other items too.

I had kept those potions in the chest exactly where staff placed them, for ages. I didn't realise these were lingering potions, rather than regular instant health 2 potions, I assumed they were replaced correctly at the time, just not as stacks how they were bought from the store.

I was invited to a in game party/celebration for a friend's birthday. I collected a few of the potions and shared them around with my friends free. I threw a few on the floor whilst we were partying, of which players were picking up the potion effect. It was after then one of my friends pointed out that these are actually lingering potions and asked how I had them, to which I've explained about about original potions being lost znd these being replaced for me.

I still at this point had most of the potions stored in the same chest that staff put them in.

At the advice of one of my friends who showed me that they were lingering potions, they suggested that I could possibly start selling them and earn some money from them. Considering I've given near half of them away free to friends when sharing them, I was happy to have something as a rare to be able to share with people. Many big rares collectors showed interest to add one to their collection, so I made offers to sell them.

Learning more about what lingering potions are, I realised that they were technically unobtainable, seeing how the server doesn't have dragons breath to craft them, I decided to try see if I can make the tipped arrows. And it worked at my surprise. So sure I thought to sell some of them too. And also give some away and try to use them myself too.

Unfortunately when testing using the tipped arrows they didn't fire with their particles which would have been cool to see working.

I realise now that I should have spoken to staff regarding being given the wrong items, and maybe the staff could have allowed me to keep them as an exception, considering its been many months since I was given the potions, I hadn't really thought much more of it since.

I've been offline most of this month as I mentioned so I was surprised to see a month long ban issued this morning early hours.

I've seen other players with Dragon's Breath potions on display in their rares museums, so there is a possibility of other lingering potions existing.

Lingering potions don't harm the server or other players, they were given to me as replacements to lost stacked instant health 2 splash potions, those old potions can't be bought from the economy shop anymore and if I'd have been able to keep my original potions without them getting voided inside of a shulker(which was servers error) then I'd have still had 4 stacks of potions from the old shop menu that can't be obtained either. So I really don't see much difference between having old potions or lingering ones in this sense.

They were given to me at the fault of the staff, not that I'm blaming the staff for doing so, rather that they gave me the incorrect potions, which is at no fault of my own. I've kept the potions where I was given them for long enough for that staff member to realise or replace them correctly and in my forum threads about the bug issue, I specified exactly what potions were missing with screenshots too. So being given lingering potions instead of splash potions should have been reasons for me to keep them in my collection.

 

Although I didn't have video proof, I screenshotted before I moved items to my shulker znd then immediately after when I moved znd opened it. The logs should have all been there. I politely requested if I could have the screenshot items replaced and am thankful that kerahana offered to do so. This took several bug issue posts and tickets to get resolved. Eventually kerhana offered to replace my items after some considerably amount of time had passed since my first bug report.

Initially I didn't even realise they were lingering. I assumed they were normal splash potions as lingering wasn't a thing on the server. So ibdidnt realise they were lingering potions until after I'd thrown a few away and given some away. That's how one of my friends noticed and asked me about them, to which thats how I found out these were in fact lingering and not normal splash.

I must have given away a good ten of them that day, I was excited to have something new ii didn't have any intentions to sell them or profit off them at that time. It may not have been right for me to give them away to players but at that time I wasn't profiting or earning any benefits from having them.

As mentioned above I kept them at that time because I was happy to have something new and different to be able to share with friends and players.

However yes, I should have notified staff sooner and spoken about being issued incorrect items by mistake.

One of my friends mentioned that maybe I could start selling these potions as rares, because a lot of collectors would be interested. I gave a few to my friend to share with her friends and I offered a few up for sale on _AH. I listed at the price I felt seemed reasonable and not greedy, using the opportunity that had presented itself to me to share my potions with people rather than board them all to myself. Did I want to earn some profit, sure. Because who wouldn't have wanted to. Was this the correct decision to make, probably not.

I've sold a few potions as is for around 1m each. I felt this was a fair value for something that was likely a new rare. I've created about 16 arrows, mainly for my own collection but also to try and see if using tipped arrows actually worked with their particles, however sadly they didn't. They simply disappeared when fired.
I've sold a few arrows on ah for around 400-500k, but the only ones I had left on ah, were the same arrows I'd been trying to sell for many weeks now, just by reposting the same ones.

Cressyn also has been selling the arrows the same way. I had no intentions to profit off any further lingering potions, as all the main collectors had already asked for one znd I'd given some free already too and used the rest. So maybe I had like 10 potions left which I wanted to keep for display purposes.

Whilst your estimate could theoretically be correct, assuming I've profited 20mil+ isn't a fair statement to make.

This may be a bit off topic, but what harm do the lingering potions actually do to the server or players, and what reasons are there to not include them as part of the skyblock experience? They could be sold from wandering traders, gradually be introduced as a new and fun way to play in game using potions.

As mentioned someone else has a dragons breath potions, that hasn't hurt anyone either.

Being able to use lingering potions has become fun and interesting, shaping up a new experience on collecting rares too.

I understand these are unintentional rares, but could lingering potions be included eventually on skyblock?

I can understand how keeping incorrect items was wrong, however this wasn't an unproven server bug. This was an item refund request, which (without being offensive or rude,) keehana had given incorrectly.

Whilst yes it would be my responsibility to report the wrong items as soon as I'd realised, I do also feel that the staff who issued the items should have realised this too at the time of giving the new items.

I had everything I lost clearly stated, splash instant health 2 potions that were bought from the old shop as stacked items.

When accessing a creative menu, kerahna would have seen the word "lingering" when finding the potions. I do not feel as though this should be my fault for not realising sooner. Every other item I was given was correct, minus enchants on my tools. So I didn't assume any different for the potions that had been given to me by admin staff themselves.


I feel as though, if your allowing others that have bought or traded these potions and arrows to keep them, then I should be allowed to as well.

Taking my 8 million balance from economy wasn't fair, as I'd literally sold my November top voter giftcard to earn that money only a few days ago, having nothing to do with these potions or arrows.

By allowing other people to keep the potions this is also allowing other people to profit too. So it isn't exactly like I'm the sole person that has sold for profits.

I am willing to work out how much I've earned from selling them however and agreeing to a payment plan eith staff in order to give back to the server the profits I'd earned.

I'll wait your next response, and see if we can work out a way forwards.

maybe that could maybe allow me to hold onto my potions, seeing as I no longer sell or trade them.

 

I have explained though, that I have used some of the potions, by throwing them on the floor when with many players, I've dropped them free for people. I've only sold a small amount of them as I genuinely wanted to keep the rest, happy to have some items that don't harm other players, that was near identical to the items I'd lost and proven at the time. The logs exited to be double checked I asked for items that had sentimental feelings, Xmas gifts from players that no longer play here that were lost to the server glitching the stacked items. I feel like I'd fairly have the right to keep the items that were lost and replaced as they were replaced.

I've accepted that I should have told staff sooner when I realised the potions were lingering ones, and in fact I hadn't moved any of them from the chests they were placed in for many weeks before sharing them at a friend's birthday party event on the server (of which multiple players, 5-10+ were there picking up the potions which I thought were simply splash potions and I shared them as a kind gesture for friends and players that were celebrating at the time.

It was only after then one of the people at the event mssged me about them being lingering ones and could be rare.

I should have told kerhana at this point about them.

However I didn't think of keeping them with intents to profit from them all. Sure I thought that selling a few of them would be okay. I feel like the price I started to sell some for was reasonable, but only sold them to a few players that showed interest to. For anyone that's asked me how I've obtained the potions, I have told them that they were given by mistake instead of splash ones, and I'd only be selling a few. This was my thinking in the sense of earning something from potions that I otherwise had been given incorrectly.


The only differences between them being lingering and not splash is their name, and effect of lasting on the floor longer when thrown. Otherwise they were the same as the normal splash potions, so I wasn't expecting to be given any different than what I'd lost and asked to be replaced with.

I've asked about working with staff to reclaim them as I know who I've given them or sold them to, but allowing other people to now keep and resell the ones they've already bought from me is unfair. Those people are profiting over my loss, and staff error. I have been very clear on what items I asked about being replaced, not being rude to kerhana, but with giving me lingering potions, which look almost identical to splash potions, of the same effect, shouldnt be my fault. I should be allowed to keep the potions, which replaced 4 stacks of instant health 2 splash potions that the server lost from me, which now other people are profiting and sharing. This makes it feel like I've been taken from twice. Once when my entire shulker of last years Christmas gifts was wiped completely, and now again once I'd been given by staff some items that could help make up for the loss.


I see it both ways. Yes I should have given staff earlier notice. But I've been very generous over sharing them with every player, I've wanted to earn a little bit of money from them which should be fair enough without selling them for extortionate prices like someone's asked to sell a dragons breath potion for., and now other players are enjoying being able to share a unique and fun potion that actually does something fun with other players which I think is wonderful. I've suggested that maybe lingering potions could be introduced to the trader, or some similar shop, as they don't hurt anyone other than bring fun into the game. I've kept about half of the ones I didn't already use previously at the birthday party or givenaway and used a few of them myself in testing them around my island but haven't hurt anyone with them and anyone that's wanted to buy one I've told them how I came came have them.


I feel also, that taking them away from me but also then removing balance that holds no relation at all to the potions is another unfair move. I'd logged on the day before you issued my ban to accept a giftcard trade which I'd earned honestly throughout that entire month voting every day, and feel like this been taken simply because I'd increased my balance to 8 mil from that trade, and had I waited on selling the giftcard you may have come to a different agreement on what pu ishment was right.

I'm not trying to argue that I'm right, I'm trying to explain that I understand I'm wrong to have not reported the incorrect items sooner, whilst giving fair reasons why I feel my appeal should be considered.