Hi everyone,

I was on .net just before, at non-stop, all there was in chat was about the EULA. I, frankly, can't put up with this. This thread will help everyone understand the situation, as well as answer all questions:

The EULA:
Created within mojang, a set of rules. Mainly about the monetisation of servers.

What the EULA THINKS they can do:
The EULA think that they can control servers. They think that server owners are making money off donators and money payers for their own benefits.

What the FACTS are:
The truth is: EULA does NOT control us. We have the defined safety of Multiplayer-Internet relations with multiplayer servers. What does this mean? This means that if a server denies to abide by the EULA, the EULA cannot, in legal power, do anything for these reasons: If the EULA were to try and take down the rogue server, they would need to either:
1. Change the IP of the server so it is non-functional, which is Illegal Ddosing
2. Shutdown the internet connection to the server, which, the only way to do that, would be to shutdown all server internets (Multiplayer-Internet relations) which, Notch and jeb will never allow since the main reason millions of people play money, the the main reason people buy minecraft, is too play on servers.

To put this in an analogy:
The servers are Teenagers, and the EULA are the parents. Lets say the Teenager went and bought a new Iphone 5S, then, the parents try to control the Teenager concerning the phone. That is wrong, and also not in their verdict to say what happens.

In real terms:
Server owners go and buy servers, and the EULA are trying to control those servers and server owners. That, according to minecraft Terms and Conditions, as well as real-life situation, cannot happen. EULA, therefore, cannot control servers or their owners, as they have no power over other peoples property.

And to prove my legal point: Actual, written protection against the EULA's new changes:
The EULA accepted in versions earlier than 1.5 wrote: "Players can monetize if they want and that people had access to all game updates forever". Since players don't have to go through the EULA to get those, you can't enforce any new EULA on any server owners who had bought this game while in 1.5 or earlier. It does not matter if the server was running before, only if the server owner owned the game before.

My opinions:
For the things that are not allowed in the EULA, server runners will likely keep doing it, and more than likely Mojang won't do anything about it. It's more of a scare tactic than anything else. The biggest thing about that is that for the most part, those aren't in the game, (or at least weren't, since world edit was recently added). They were added by mods or plugins for the server. I don't know how much legal hold Mojang would have against people who limited access to those, since technically, even though it's within their game, it's technically not their work that is adding them in.

Thank-you for reading this. I hope that this clears everything up. As always, if you have any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, feel free to add. Please do not hate without reason, or just spam with with useless feedback.

Darkslash95
(Fluttershy)

 

tl;dr

 

thanks flutter for summing all this annoying talk about Eula, people might stop spamming chats about it know (i hope)

 

Bump. People NEED to see this

 

WAAAAAAAAW it was a joke there was a '' ;-;

 

I don't see a troll. Only some random letters and 2 ;

 

I did a ; instead of a : I SOWWY

 

This would be amazing, if there were no changes. We'll see what happens.

 

Well, you haven't explored all the possibilities. Mojang still has the right to take away Multiplayer altogether (however slim of a chance that may be).

 

Nah They Can't and doesn't Noobcrew pay for the server sooo... it's noobcrew property XD (Kind Like a House You cant Take a House away if they pay rent )

 

Noobcrew owns the house, but the government can take away the house.
Mojang is the government 'round these parts.


Nah jk, they can't physically "take away" the server, but I'm sure they could eventually shut Noobcrew's servers. Not that they will, I believe that would be too much work for Mojang's lazy buttocks.

 

Couldn't they, in theory, blacklist servers that don't follow the EULA from the multiplayer connections?

 

Oh... never thought about that. That's a good point.

 

Yes. Mojang has all power and right to do so as well. People may own servers, but if they do not abide by the EULA of Mojang, they can (and in all likeliness will) be removed from being able to use Minecraft on their server. In all actuality, Time has said what they probably intend to do. Fact is, they may even blacklist entire host sites if they try to bypass this blacklist for their customers. Crew may own the server, but not the rights to run Minecraft on said server. For those rights, he has to agree to and abide by the EULA as set forth by Mojang.

You can shut down the internet connection to a single source, making your second point moot. Also, in your analogy, parents do hold the right, unless the teen also uses their own money to pay for their own phone service as they'd still be on their parents phone service and the parents could in all rights take that away, making the phone almost useless as a phone.

 

Sooo they can shut the server or nah :3

 

I am not saying that they cannot shut the server down or do anything to it, I am saying that it is not within legal rights to. As most of us (including noobcrew, the owner) bought the game under old EULA rules, allowing all monitorization, we do dot have to abide by updated EULA rules if stated: "Players can monetize if they want and that people had access to all game updates forever". No updates needing to be done through EULA, bought the game while under old EULA.

All that equals not having to listen to the new laws. It is written in the terms and conditions that were made BY the player and mojang, at the time the game was bought. Breech of any contract is against legal law, in any country. Following the new EULA, breeches the layers can monetize if they want from our terms and conditions. Thus voiding the whole rule all together.

 

This would hold true if it weren't for one thing. From what I've seen with Creeperhost (my host for my server), server owners are required to accept the conditions of the new EULA when they go to sign into their console. By accepting the terms of the new EULA, wether it's just an 'I Agree' button or 'Continue' we are bound by the EULA. It's likely Mojang will have players re-sign into their clients with something along the lines of 'By signing in using your Minecraft account, you agree to adhere to the terms and conditions stated within the EULA (with clickable link most likely)'. Most people would overlook this anyway as they're just trying to get on, and those that did notice would probably still sign in, as otherwise, they'd have to get a cracked version of Minecraft to be able to play again, as even playing offline mode requires a sign in now.

A new contract can always be drafted by a game developer. We see it all the time with MMO's like WoW, LoL, Starcraft. And this is the usual procedure to have an updateded (albeit normally it's a very minor difference) version of the player contract/licensing agreement that the player must accept before returning to play.

 

Is that because hosts are afraid of being shutdown?

 

They couldn't really shut down the host, so much as remove Minecraft from them. Honestly, the host sites might actually have contracts with Mojang that allow them to host to others that requires them to do this. I'm not sure, but that's a possibility.

 

Well, I use a hacked client which basically changes the whole launcher. In that case, maybe I won't be asked to accept the new conditions as it logs my in with their forums, and backup is my actual mc info.