Mobs, Arena and Hoppers

Discussion in 'Other/Uncategorized Suggestions Archive' started by footfish94, Jul 2, 2014.

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What do you think?

  1. I agree (both)

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  2. I support only first one

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  3. I support only second one

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  4. I disagree (both)

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  1. MysticalDemon
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    I thing it is a 10 perfect
     
  2. FirstCelestrian
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    How the heck does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said!? o_O
     
  3. FirstCelestrian
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    Also, I believe what she was aiming to say was that if you donate, you 1: Are more committed to the server and 2: Are likely more wealthy on the server, so probably aren't going to steal 2 grass blocks from someone.
    (Sorry if that's not what you meant, megadorkvikki)
     
  4. footfish94
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    Oh sorry, I misunderstood your post! I thought you meant "pigmen drops nuggets and you know that with nuggets you can farm gold?"
    I agree with your post, zombies don't drop iron so often and you can't make a HUGE farm because of the spawners and rare drops mechanisms!
    Pigmen are more risky but gold hasn't so this power in the economy, why we had to renounce them?
    Iron is involved into many recepies, we had to give up a lot of objects because it has a little part in the server economy (iron worth is very low and it is semi- ungettable), why I ask!
    I can figure an economy where gold has the same value of the today iron, and iron could be involved for rails, couldrons, hoppers, pistons... According to me, gameplay could be better in this way!

    In chat I read many times "He tp to me and burnt me with lava" and "he tp to me and he's destroying my island"... someone buy donors pack only because of grifieng! Donors generally grief, normal user could only bridge to nearest island!
    Do you think people who bought "donor 50 package" use fly mode only to build under his island (without using water streams) ? I don't think so!
    I also think that aiming something obtainable just at the very starting is very sad: You just pay and you get your goal...wow! I don't like "easy win"!

    I know you didn't use these statements but they are the result of my impression about your post!
    You told there's a significant difference between donors and non-donors but I don't think a person radically change after donor pack purchase!
    I'm not "attacking" and I want to place words in noone mouth... these statements are generic, there are hypotetical words anyone could say! Don't consider them as "words placed in your mouth"!
    For me donor packages are made up of only "little advantages", I hope noone's aim is pay for a game for reach his final goal!
     
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  5. Elric
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    Here's some reasons this isn't going to get changed: Eveything is already good as is and it would just take Noobcrew even more work to implement this, the economy is good as is and doesn't need to have secondary currencies de-valued as iron and gold are already losing value as is. Second of all, everything cyp does is for a reason, look at it this way, zombies have a much higher chance in spawning with diamond armor. No biggie? Let's again say you have a 20 spawner farm. 1/2000 chance for diamond armor isn't slim at all because of the mass population of the server. You'd be able to obtain mass amounts of diamond armor. Also, just deal with people disagreeing with your idea, you're just making the opinion weaker as you try to argue. As each time you're arguing back. you open up more loopholes, the more loopholes that you open the harder it will be for cyp or noobcrew to implement this suggestion. Each time you try to go against someone's opinion, you're just lowering the chances of this suggestion making it in-game.
     
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  6. FirstCelestrian
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    It's harder than you think to get diamond armour from a zombie. I mean, skeletons spawn with armour, too. I don't think that zombies spawning with diamond armour is an issue, so there really shouldn't be a problem with adding zombies. When zombies spawn holding things, they are likely to not even drop it. I really don't think that it would be a problem to add mobs that give you things such as armour and ingots for a few reasons. Aren't there already ways to get these things? I mean, people are already flying around in diamond armour. If 1 more person gets diamond armour, does that really change anything? The spawn rate for zombies with any piece of diamond armour is .05%. Do you realize how slim that is!? I've never seen a zombie spawn in even diamond boots since I started playing minecraft. And trust me, I have seen a lot of zombies. If anyone even is by some miracle lucky enough to actually get a pair of diamond boots, is that really going to destroy the economy? Seriously, $100 donors already get a diamond a day, and do you know how many $100 donors there are? A lot. In conclusion, I think that it's fine to add a new way of getting somewhat rare things, despite the fact that it is in no way a very efficient way of obtaining those items.
     
  7. footfish94
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    Noobcrew should have some interest in implement and "take more work", to make server better! (and they work to disabled some mob, I don't think there is so huge work to do).
    Server hasn't a real economy system, the economy is made up by players in the end! Changing zombie and pigman situation, economy will reach a new "balance" very soon! (and in my opinion will be better).
    Robby, if you don't know the dynamics, don't say wrong things: skeleton and zombies chance are exactly the same!
    I support FirstCelestrian, for 1 diamond boots every 10 years won't be a revolution I think. Right now is a mess: donors full diamond, normal users have problem to get some potatoes .-.

    loopholes? lowering the chances of this suggestion making it in-game? I'm trying to argue because I want something change but It's for people like you that this isn't happening!
    You try to make my ideas weaker saying WRONG THINGS (such us armor and rare drops ones)! I hope who read can understand that me and FirtsCelestrian are trying to have an argue for the good of the server!
    You and megadorkvikki don't make any argue: saying wrong thing (as you do) without explain nothing (you don't explain me reasonably why gravel is disabled yet for example) or just saying personal opinion ( "I like that zombie/zombie pigmen are disabled." or " I really love this server as it is.") like megadorkvikki isn't a valid argumentation!
     
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    Okay, I'm out of this thread as I don't want to continue to argue, my only last words are that zombies were never always disabled, they got disabled because it got out of hand. Also, respect the people who disagree with you. If you have people that disagree with you, you listen to what they say and try to improve upon the idea. Take them like a critique. Me and megadorkvikki were only pointing out some problems and flaws in your suggestion so we could fix them. You don't have to take it as we're trying whatever we do to stop you.
     
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    I respect your idea even if I don't share it; but when you say something wrong only to pass your idea as the rightest one It's like cheating. In this way you don't respect mine!
     
  10. megadorkvikki
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    Gravel is not legal to trade/give because gravel produces flint. Players could make a flint & steel. They could use it to grief warps, other players islands, and even to kill other players.
     
  11. Gemmalove
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    I can not support this. I know farming on skyblock. People always want the biggest and most efficient farms possible. With pigmen and zombies enabled, the farms with be uncontrollable. Players will be swimming in gold, and plenty of iron as well. The economy on those items as well as items often traded for those would crash and burn. Next issue, your ma j ideas. Slimeballs, yeah sure. Spawn eggs, only on like level 50. Sandstone, no that is meant to be a donor perk. And gravel. Oh my gosh.

    Gravel has the potential to ruin the server.

    Everybody who's anybody would have flint and steel. There would be mass chaos at any public warp. Griefers and murderers would run rampant. Everybody would be scared to leave their islands. The server crashes and burns (literally)

    Oh and as for hoppers, it has been said many times, until the server is updated and therefore the lockette, which doesn't allow hopper looting, or we can get an updated plugin made for us, hoppers cannot happen for the good of the server.

    So gravel and hoppers together would spell out the end of the (semi) peaceful server we all know and love.
     
  12. Gemmalove
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    Also, what is the point?

    Sandstone- Yeah sure, I understand non-donors have an extremely limited sand supply.

    Zombies- Rotten Flesh (useless), iron (which could be farmed uncontrollably), carrots (just buy them!)

    Gravel- Decoration (Ehh) KILLING PEOPLE (suffocation), KILLING PEOPLE (fire)

    Pigmen- Gold (farmable in HIGH numbers)

    Hoppers- Farming (crazy lag with huge farms), Looting (chaos on the server)
     
  13. footfish94
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    Gemma, first I'm not your best friend! Be respectfull and avoid to use terms like "Oh my gosh" and "Ehh"!

    you stuck in the idea that Iron and gold are un-touchable because part of the economy. What economy? There isn't an economy, people made it! Iron will lose its economical power but could start to be used on usefull crafting, and something else could replace it (and people will unawares choose the replament).

    Sandstone - You don't want to use sandstone,well but I want! In a SKYBLOCK I'd like to create an island and make it beautifull! They banned sand and I think is right but how I can get sandstone and co? I'm only suggesting a way to obtain this block, avoiding island farming!

    Zombie- Rotten Flesh (useless), carrots (just buy them!), agree with you but not with the iron part! Iron has involved into many recepies to be so valuable (not so much, right now) object! I had to give up to this because someone wanna use it as a "coin"?
    Saddle could take its place, why not? Saddle is more useless than iron I think! This server hasn't a real economy, people made it... Iron starts to be common? (even if it's hard to get anyway) People start to sell saddles (for example) instead iron! Simple I think and not so revolutionary!

    Gravel - Yes, decoration! Skyblock is decoration! I wanna pass all day in the arena? well, I choose a different type of server! If you let me use only cobble and snow I can join a PVP server and it's the same!
    Killing people by suffocation? Sand isn't the same? And how? Your target must be firm for 2 days!
    For "killing people by fire": every server forbid use fire in pubblic warp! It's to hard to set this plug in to avoid this "mass chaos"? Lava isn't the same (if not worse) if I invade someone else island? I'm asking to you!

    Pigmen - Gold has a very low value! It's like to iron: when gold will be common, something else could be automatically take its place in the economy if it is really necessary! Gold block I think is also a good decoration block and not so necessary for the economy!

    Hoppers - Huge farm are impossible to make because of spawners and rare drop mechanism! anyway hoppers don't create lags because they aren't steadily at work, but only when they have to transfer some objects (and if they aren't loaded, they don't work)! No lag problem I mean!
    I said " If you can't update you simply allows players use Hopper in his own island perimeter and not out". I don't wanna simply re-add hoppers, I wanna they add hoppers again when problem is fixed!
     
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    I'm pretty sure that in this server fire can't expand and it can burn nothing! Moreover fire exstinguish after some minutes (except on netherrack)!
    For "killing people by fire": every server forbid use fire in pubblic warp! It's to hard to set this plug in to avoid this "mass chaos"? Lava isn't the same (if not worse) if I invade someone else island? I'm asking to you!
     
  15. FirstCelestrian
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    Okay, so people either are ignoring my comments or don't believe them, so I am going to say this once more, but in more depth. Zombie pigmen do not drop gold after every death. They only sometimes drop gold nuggets, and very rarely (from my own experience) a gold ingot. If someone farms zombie pigmen, it is certainly not going to be an efficient way of getting gold. It takes 9 gold nuggets to form an ingot and 9 of those to form a block. It would take 81 gold nuggets to craft a block. So, "Oh no! People are going to start getting 1 more gold block a day! Our economy is ruined!" It would take someone killing about a hundred zombie pigmen to get a gold block. Do you realize how many that is?
     
  16. Gemmalove
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    I was just giving my opinion. And no, I'm not your friend, that doesn't mean I have to talk a certain way? I always talk like that, and I'm not going to change it for you. This is an opinion based thread, and I gave my opinion. I would say Bye, but perhaps that isn't formal enough, so Farewell acquaintance.
     
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    Wild guess, but I'm going to say a hundred.
     
  18. Hoecobo
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    Umm wat?
     
  19. Gemmalove
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    Also, about your confusion over why donors tend to be more trustworthy than non-donors, think of it this way..

    A person who just wants to grief joins the server.
    A set of options are before him.
    He sees he can bridge to others island and steal and destroy their islands.
    He sees he can donate 10 dollars to jump to others islands and destroy them.
    He sees he can donate 50 dollars to FLY to others islands and destroy them.

    However, is this person going to pay money when he knows there is a huge chance of him getting banned? Of course not.

    So. People who pay IRL money for a server most likely like it there. They don't want to be perm-banned, and their money wasted. So in GENERAL donors tend to be more trustworthy..

    Although there are corrupt donors...
    And amazing non-donors.
    I'm just explaining the mindset and the reasoning behind it.
    EDIT: joecobo Rude? I thought it was very polite. I was just explaining why some people think that way. I try to think of everyone neutrally till they prove themselves to me, one way or another.
     
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    if u have 1 DIAMOND in 1 chest and u place a hopper beneath it and a chest next to the hopper then the diamond in the chest above the hopper will duplicate itself in the chest next to the hopper. in no time you will have a stack of diamonds. Hoppers would ruin the whole skyblock server. diamonds will be worthless, just like other recources and stuff :(
     

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