A REASON For A Denied Appeal.

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  1. LeePieGuy
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    I suggest that Mods give a reason on denied appeals. I know many of them do, but this should be mandatory, as at least it gives banned users a reason to improve.

    My example: Banned on Hellblock

    The Mod who has banned me on Hellblock has not yet bothered to explain why he / she is denying my appeal.

    This is really getting on my nerves, because not only does it show disrespect, it also gives me no reason why I'm even still banned. If I've changed, I deserve a second chance.
     
  2. Iamandrewj
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    Honestly, you don't need a reason to the denied appeal. As you obviously know that having that water can/would ruin the whole server.
     
  3. keeper_of_flame
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    When a mod denies an appeal it is likely because they either do not believe the person is sincere, do not believe the person has changed or believe that the likely hood of a re-offense is too great based on the type of offense or the number of past offenses. Keep in mind that emotion is hard to decipher over the internet and mods do the best that they can.

    In some cases, it's likely that the person hasn't figured out something the mod wants them to figure out. Telling someone "what you did was wrong and this is why" isn't nearly as effective as denying the appeal and giving them some time to think about what they did and figure out what was wrong with it. Then they can come back, with a deeper sense of their mistakes, re-appeal and hopefully the mod can see that there was real thought and consideration put into it.

    It's the whole basis behind a "time out". Coming to the conclusion yourself will teach you something, while being told something only goes so far.

    Then there are some appeals which will just never be accepted because of the nature of the offense. Sometimes the choices we make have lasting effects.

    Chances are if you can't figure out why your appeal is denied, that's what you have to figure out to get it accepted. ;) In my opinion anyway.
     
  4. rootbeer2222
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    I dunno


    no support
     
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    Theres nothing that says we have to have a reason, but we do ask questions and your answer lies within them. Of course we wouldnt need to give a reason if players followed the rules in the first place.
    Mods do respond to messages usually, and can answer questions, but you have to take responsibility for your own actions and reflect on what you did in order to learn, then re appeal.
    no support
     
  6. severi167
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    Dont try and seriously tell me that u dont know what u did lmao
    U can edit in a link to your ban appeal and see if people see it nessesary that i explain myself. Afterall it is your 7th ban appeal from that ban
     
  7. Sean
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    I agree.. it should be mandatory.
    You have a right to know why your ban appeal was denied.
     
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    A former admin told me to instadeny it.

    Im not doing it cause of that anymore but ok if lee wants his explanation i can give u that. He was banned from hb for attempted economy crash. They mined cobble and griefed creative water off of an admins island. Then they tried to get away with it. Lee has appealed 7 times now and the story hasnt mayched up not even ONCE. + when i banned him/ deny his appeal he just goes on .org to whine about me. There, the reason i denied his appeal.

    And lee dont u even dare to speak about disrespect. U broke the rules and u broke them big time. Breaking rules while knowing what u are doung is straight out disrespecting the rules and the moderator team. You have been on this server long enough to know the rules so u have no excuses on what u did. And Your ban message is exact and it tells u why u were banned when u nearly destroy the whole freaking economy of the server dont u dare and speak about disrespect when i dont tell u why i wont unban u and the fact that u go whine about me to .org when i dont unban u, talk about disrespect. I wont EVER unbsn u and beezer from hellblock. Just hope that u outlast me on this server and see if someone else wants to unban u then.
     
  9. rootbeer2222
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    no support
     
  10. Steve333333333
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    This is unnecessary, but would sill be courteous in my opinion. For example rather that saying: ban appeal denied, locking and archiving, something as simple as appeal denied for lying and invalid reason, would satisfy most people.

    So support but maby just as a recommendation.
     
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    The reasoning will be explained before locking and denying an appeal in most appeals. eg, I tell the reason I banned someone, they say their bit, they answer my questions. Then depending on the way they answered, I end with a statement. In that statement it says what my decision is and why. If its no, its your job to reflect and then reappeal. You know what you did wrong and acting ignorant will not help. In the appeal we feed you the information on your behavior. You just have to look at the severity of it. I swear im repeating myself, but I swear we give enough reason so you can go back and better yourself, ready for the next appeal.
     
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    Give a good reason why is it denied. Not giving one is unreasonable. For example, there must be a reason for why u don't like someone so why not tell them it? It's better to make friends than to make enemies. Everyone will have different perspectives
     
  13. LeePieGuy
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    Lol this post was so faulty, I had to comment.

    1. I was not attempting an economy crash, I obtained illegal cobblestone to make an island, and that was it.
    2. I did not mine cobblestone and "grief creative water", you can ask Beezer how he did it. I don't think he even got water from an admin's island.
    3. I had a lot of respect for you, until you started denying without reason. I still do, to be honest. But when you say: "an old admin told me to insta-ban you", I'm pretty sure even he/she would allow a second chance. I'll even talk to him/her personally.
    4. I didn't go whine on org about you. I literally said: I think Mods should give reason for unbans.

    And you say my story doesn't match up? I will not say anything bad about you, but I will say that your evidence is a whole load of not-so-good-stuff.
     
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    This thread is supposed to be for suggestions. If you would like to discuss your ban, please take it to pm guys. :heart:
     
  15. LeePieGuy
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    They insta-banned me, I had no chance to talk. I appealed, and I clearly stated I was wrong and I was sorry, as well as I was ignorant. And please, before you judge me, actually KNOW what you're saying. I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but you're going into a topic you don't know much about.
     
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    "I dunno"

    I'm not sure if you should comment if you don't know anything about this topic XD
    But I appreciate your time and input.
     
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    At that time i banned u the server barely had any cobble in its economy since the voting hadnt been that up that long so a few stacks were alot at that time. And i asked justin when he was an admin what to do and he told me to insta deny so no 2nd chanses from there either. When i first banned u 5 minutes later an org mod came on and told me that u are flaming me in the .org chat so u can try to deny it but it wont stop being true. And yes your story doesnt match up at all, forst u say beezer gave u the cobble next time u say it was your brother, then u said that it was your brother in your account who got all of the cobblestone. And just now u told me that it was technically you who got the cobblestone. So i wouldnt say that its me who has bad evidence since u were the one who gave me a story filled with holes and lies blaming everything to your brother. Yet still you are the one who has the cobblestone and the account that had them is yours not his.
     
  18. LeePieGuy
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    Screenshots or it didn't happen ^_^
    Also, yeah, I was probably immature at the time, so I would believe I would be flaming you lol.

    Last, can I get it through your head that my brother's ACCOUNT = me? Beezer gave it to mlb500, who was ME at the time, but my BROTHER'S account. Please, understand before you start this all over again...
     
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    No this is in the suggestion forum and the overall idea is to explain why i dont think we need to give a reason when we practically do it most of the time. I dont actually care about who's situation this is referring to... of course i dont have a clue abut your situation, but its practically one size fits most. I dont really care if you want to flip this around to suit you, but i know EXACTLY what im talking about.
     
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    I understood the situation as well as its needed and this argument wont help anything so im just going to drop it
     

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