Even if SuperJZ11 did display false odds, why publicly call him out, especially if he has been dealt with already? There is no need to do that if the issue has already been corrected. I understand what you are saying and agree that odds being 100% accurate is a must, but why keep bringing it up?

 

Forums is a little different from something like Discord. The rating system has points attached, which act as a flag on a user's profile for general sentiment about their activity. And posts of course are tallied on your profile card on the left of the page. -- I agree it feels weird now that instant messaging has taken over, but welcome to the early 2000s It's also a lot cleaner to just have multiple replies in one message versus sending multiple messages.

Very true, seems like something to address directly rather than in a tangentially related thread.

I agree with your perspective, but I think at this point there's been a lot of the same back-and-forth in this thread, and personally don't think it's worth contributing more of the same to. I'm only replying now because these are new/unrelated points

 

you said thanks but continued to double post?


also I'm going to stop commenting on this thread. It's clear that you don't care what anyone else has said and you seem to just be angry about getting scammed or something. You have had everyone disagree with you and yet you say nobody has as strong claims as eye. this thread should honestly have been closed just like Krissy was going to do

also you should've talked to whoever scammed you in dms instead of calling them out

 

I greatly appreciate the low-down.

also I bring up SuperJZ11's casino report because I think it highlights that even the current "anti-scamming" rules aren't being enforced to the degree one might expect.

To be honest, I also am growing tired of the same back-and fourth here - yet I persist because I am hoping to find some like-minded players who do feel a compulsory reaction to act so I can ask them to join me in a hunt for malpracticing casinos. I want that movement to start here.
every casino customer could also be a critic very soon. (and so can you)
that's why I keep making calls to action. and making actions (like Supers Report)

 

Looking at the timestamps I think Saturn's message probably had been just posted when they posted their message. There is a popup when new messages are posted so you can load them before sending, but it's not quite instant as far as I'm aware. I'd give benefit of the doubt on that one personally.

I think bad actors running rigged casinos is bad, and definitely something that should (and is as far as I'm aware?) be actioned on by staff. Whether or not there are better ways to prevent that I'm not sure, but this thread wasn't started as a call to action on rigged casinos? The initial post was criticizing allowing gambling in a place where children frequent, and the alleged p2w nature of the server. IMO hunting rigged casinos (a noble cause) would be another discussion entirely.

 

They initially said this, and then either edited their message (at which point, given the message they was responding to, they should have probably just edited the first message) or deleted it and posted an entirely new message.

 

he shouldnt have posted a new message

 

Okay, yeah. I didn't see that original version. That kind of misses the 'messages should have a point' reason for not double-posting. Though I think it's a case of double-posting being an issue on this thread bringing it to the top of everyone's minds. In a normal thread an incidental double-post would just be ignored. In this case I think it's probably more productive to let the mods handle it if they deem it problematic, rather than going back and forth on the legitimacy of other user's posting habits. (Especially given the multiple replies addressing it that have been left by them already).

 

The main problem is people calling these things casinos when in reality they are a good opportunity for new players to get some fast grass. Not gonna lie I used to put stacks of grass into these opportunity islands and nearly every time I won. 90% of the problem players complaining about gambling haven't even tried it and are just fearmongering to scare children imo.

 

I don't think winning is really a good justification for encouraging children to gamble. I remain in the 'I have no interest arguing for or against banning gambling on the server' camp, but I'd be interested to read any sort of scientific research on why winning negates the psychological effects of playing a game with a chance of winning a prize (gambling).

 

I think you're absolutely right and I have since updated the original post to better reflect what this discussion has evolved into.

 

Been a while. Any news? anyone find any malpracticing casinos?

I've got one so far.

 

I totally dislike gambling on skyblock. I would support the ban of it. Everytime someone opens a casino on economy, the book writes itself.

The things that annoy me the most is the moral of casino owners.

- We could have less trouble if they would deny taking bets with more than half of their /bal from the first time they appeared that day.
- Gambling should not take place in global chat as it is passive advertisement (taking bets, telling about their wins/losses/jackpot sum).

Edit: Reactions games are really weird. I expect people to dislike and give a reply to my statements instead of not giving it a try to counterargument my points. It simply is not an argument to say "I like gambling". I pointed out some strategies to make it more acceptable and would love some feedback on it.

 

read the whole thread if you want a response, nobody wants to start up this argument again with 4 billion double posts and 7000 rate abuses

gambling on Skyblock doesn't really seem to cause issues, and there really isn't much need for change

 

I completely agree, if gambling could be taken out of public chat and public advertisements that would be fantastic. refreshing to see an opinion like yours here!

also yeah, you have to ignore the reactions here. like, these reactions come from literal casino owners so it's no wonder they disagree with keeping gambling away from children. that's their main source of income in-game! a few of them in particular seem to be buddy-buddy with the moderators. if you try to give their snarky posts a deserving negative reaction they'll have it removed or they'll take down the post if its too obviously rude.
for instance, look at the reactions to this message. see what i mean? lol

whenever I can, I put in work to try and catch casinos that aren't "playing by the rules". basically, moderators confirmed with me that if a casino is reporting false odds, has a rigged machine, or is giving/displaying the wrong prizes: they can be punished as if they were running a scam.
in my experience some moderators will let the casino in question off scotch free, and others will enforce the rules. so it's a bit of a gamble, you could say.

 

So, I have an itch to scratch about odds.
Even when displayed correctly, with correct prizes listed, and a machine that functions correctly, what odds are just too high to ever be considered a fair gamble?
I see many gambling machines with the same odds multiplier. they usually go from
1 in 9, to 1 in 81, to 1 in 279... ect.
the 1/9 odds gives a player an 11% chance to win. that's steep. but its not un-winnable.
the 1/81 odds gives a player a 1.2% chance of winning. That's already quite the "final boss" as far as winnable odds go.
the 1/279 odds gives a player a 0.4% chance of winning. once we get to this territory you would have to be drunk to play those odds.
Many casinos take this further however.
the 1/6561 odds gives a player a mere 0.02% chance to win.
Even still, some casinos take it one bar further
the 1/59049 odds gives a player 0.002% chance of winning. nobody wins this game.

Maybe you and I can understand how ludicrous these odds are. so why are they working for these casino owners?
because most children don't understand odds yet.
and that's why these casinos are additionally predatory.

 

That's a lot of math. I don't gamble, so I don't fully know what you mean with these machines, but if the games are displaying the odds publicly then it's fair. People are entitled to make bad decisions provided they don't harm others. In this case, gambling is a bad decision, which people should know, or will quickly learn when they lose their valueless block game currency.

I challenge you to provide any evidence for this claim. Most casinos? What's your method for determining real odds vs advertised odds? I'd like to understand how to recreate these discoveries.

 

think of it this way: is telling, say, a second grader that they could press a button to win 0.002% of the time. is that kid going to ever know what they are really doing? or are they only going to feel bad when they lose knowing they could've won.
I don't find that fair to the kid.

as for your challenge, I fixed my math that led me to that claim and I now rescind that claim. - multiplied the wrong thing at first. now the information is correct.