wait so what is a rating and how are they being abused? are you talking about the "x" and "check" marks on all the posts?

(also I'm assuming I wasn't included in the rate-abusing because I was not sent a DM about anything - just want to know for curious reasons because I have no idea how this place works - I just got here.)

 

It’s stated in the rules

 

On another note entirely,
lets say a casino were to be caught putting up false odds, deceitful machinery, incorrect prizes, or any combination of the three.
Does that classify as scamming?
Should, and how should, that casino be punished?

 

Yes, this is considered scamming and it is and has been punishable by bans as well as having the casino shut down. If you want examples of this, you can browse the ban appeals archive for people who have been banned for casino scamming and appealed

 

You are included in the rate abusing, you were rating posts that weren’t rude as rude, plus rate abusing is giving out a lot of ratings in a short amount of time to one person. You reacted to almost every single message that was posted.

 

hmm, well sorry for this - but I wasn't trying to abuse the rating system. Once I got rating privileges I went through the thread and gave each message my genuine reaction to those. I also noticed that the people who got "rude" rating from me on their sarcastic remarks took down their own posts to negate the negative rating.
I think this is just a special case. I meant each one I gave and if I see those posts again I would give the rating back.

 

thats great! I wish the same happened to the last casino I caught displaying the wrong odds for a month. (SuperJZ11)

 

It absolutely should be punished for both theft and fraud. If you are dishonest about your odds you are selling something that isn’t as displayed in my eyes, which is a complete scam. It should carry a hefty ban and maybe even a ban from casino-running for a period of time if it were really malicious. As far as I’m aware as long as you report what you believe to be a scam in the casino space, staff are able to follow-up on it pretty easily with their perms.

 

Given that the results of the poll contrast with the reactions to the initial post and seemingly the comments on the first page here, I have to believe that reading the contents of the other five pages would be asinine.

I think that a lot of people share the belief that gambling is bad, and the server seemingly acknowledges this, as renowned Skyblock forum user GAMER1232012 so helpfully points out. However, rebranding gambling does not fix the issue, and introducing the concept to children—no matter what you call it—is surely dubious at best. I also think that expecting children to know that gambling is bad, or to fully grasp what an addiction is and how it starts, is utterly fallacious—especially in an environment where losing all of your 'money' doesn't really lead to anything.

That being said, it's probably just too late (given how long casinos have been a part of the server) to put a stop to them on the server's side, and no matter the ethical considerations, it probably shouldn't be something that players enforce upon themselves either. Given how the rules have been laid out and how the server tries to stop you from doing things that you aren't meant to do (the chat filter, for example), it follows that players can and will do whatever is available to them and be justified in thinking that they are okay. The server should have just disallowed gambling completely at a much earlier point in time.

 

Removing your post doesn't negate the rating, a moderator likely removed the rating/post for double posting, and then it was combined

 

I think nobody here is expecting children to know that gambling is bad - we are expecting adults to. and we are expecting adults to act on this knowledge and be responsible with it.
and when it comes to unsafe environments for kids, there is no possible "too late to change anything" argument to be made. we only have up to go from here why not do something about it.

 

I disagree, people mostly stay civil in chat, despite there being workarounds to make racist/offensive comments. And whenever someone makes one, they immediately get reported and a mod gets on and mutes them.

 

except gambling fake money really is not wrong, even for a kid

 

this claim that you are making is founded in opinion. Unfortunately, research says that's wrong.
How gambling affects the brain and who is most vulnerable to addiction

 

So do you find arcade games for tickets to be the same as someone using a slot machine?

Plus, the whole conversation is opinion based, you've stated your opinion, and everyone else has stated theirs

 

But people still do use those workarounds.. as I suggested they would?

I'm not entirely sure that’s the case. There have been mentions of signs or messages at the casinos, cautioning players to be careful. These signs would likely do little to deter a child (even if they bothered to read them) who doesn't fully understand gambling. But they would do nothing for an adult who does understand but simply doesn’t care. The inference here is that the messages are for children, and that the expectation of writing such a sign is to somehow convey to a given child that gambling is bad.

I agree that it's not too late to make the server a safer space for children, but I think from the server’s perspective, there are already too many casinos in place. Removing them would likely upset a lot of players. I mean, the server has already shown they aren't fully committed to addressing this issue—the ‘raffle’ is essentially just the ‘lottery’ renamed. Calling gambling something other than ‘gambling’ doesn’t change what it is.

 

Very rarely, and it's always a troll that's new to the server, Skyblock has a very friendly community

 

im honestly tired of trying to untie your strawman arguments. I'm surprised there hasn't been someone with as strong of views as I come up and help discuss yet.

People are not realizing that when you change the name of something like gambling to "loot-boxes" it doesn't make it "not gambling" and the only reason the law doesn't do anything about it is because the law hasn't been updated yet. not because gambling "should be allowed for children" if it's called a loot-box.

companies are not angels, and leaders are not angels.
They are capable of doing wrong.
If you only act by the word of authority and not the ethics of a situation - then you are equally culpable for the consequences of that situation (good or bad).
In other words: to "do what everyone else is doing" is to be "complicit in what everyone else is doing."
so if everyone else is doing something wrong - then so are you. and the fact that its such a popular injustice to participate in does not save you from the consequences your own actions create when you do wrong onto others.

so think, once more, to yourselves: as a thinking, choosing individual, should I be voluntarily hurting kids the same way many people do?

 

Thanks. It honestly makes me laugh how many natural conversational behaviors are categorized and deemed illegal.
by the way, you were the mod that dealt with SuperJZ11's casino right?
Did SuperJZ11 even get a slap on the wrist for displaying false odds on his machine? or did you let him free after he changed one of the incorrect numbers.