I'm not asking for a whole plan, I'm only asking for an example where the server could monetize without being "p2w"

 

monetize only the things that are purely cosmetic.

 

Cosmetics like what? Text colors? Effects on the character? /ambients? I highly doubt cosmetic aspects in a vanilla server would hardly impress the casual player, much less convice them to buy it, but I'm no expert on the matter so I wouldn't really know. However, the fact that they would have to revoke everyones purchases and completely overhaul the entire system is another issue that arises, how much time would you think this take, and how could it heavily affect the server? We barely even get an update, so this would be highly unrealistic.
I'm not disagreeing with you though, I too, as a skytitan, feel bad as well how so much features are locked away from being P2W or ridiculously grindy, but what you're asking for is simply too big of an ask for the moment.

 

I feel like you think my responses to your posts were hostile for some reason, and if that is the case then I apologize as that was not my intent. Reading back, I realize that sometimes people perceive the use of " " and ' ' to frame textual quotations as being sarcastic or argumentative and I want to assure you that this does not reflect my usage of them (I just used it so that people would know that I was either directly quoting or paraphrasing something that was mentioned in previous messages).

Having said this, I would like you to clarify why you feel that I am looking down on unranked players, or you in particular, and also why you see voting as 'begging and crowding around'. From my perspective, I'm just encouraging new players to do exactly what I did as a new player to "progress" in the game, which is to take advantage of the free daily resources available to everyone. I wrote a short paper on the inequality that exists between the different ranks in the server between 2012 and 2018 (Economic Analysis .Net - Google Docs ) about 7 years ago, so I want you to know that I am not denying the practical and economic challenges that new players face. In fact, I have an alt island that is dedicated to helping them address these challenges via information and resources like enchanting tables, anvils, building materials, etc.

From your statement it seems like we both acknowledge the same facts on three core issues presented but are interpreting them differently for some reason. Would you like to continue this conversation on Discord text so that we do not repeat the same things over and over again? This will give other people's ideas a chance to remain in this forum for longer and avoid the appearance of squabbling. Also, talking in this formal manner on forums is annoying and I'd rather converse on a platform where we can both use colloquial language.

 

You are accurate, I am a casino owner, but I work a little differently, I don’t advertise my casino, I’m not on /ads, I don’t advertise in chat, I have signs at mine telling new players to stay away.
I think doing those things meets my ethical quota.

You using your ethical opinion to guilt others into helping you is not the way to go about dealing with what you see as a problem. You don’t want to go through the appropriate channels to fix your problem, instead you want to kick up a fuss about objective morality and hope everyone else falls in line. Make a suggestion, make a complaint to staff, whatever you feel is just. What I don’t think is just is guilting owners to “do the right thing” when it’s objective.

 

look. I ain't guilting nobody. so long as this conversation is being had, any guilt you might have about owning a casino on a kids game is self imposed. IM not persuading people to do the right thing, THEIR ethics are. And its seems like you have your ethics sorted! so what's the problem?

Additionally, you're wrong to assume that since I came to have this conversation first, that this will be my only course of action. this will, in time, prove to be the warning before the storm for casino owners. because I do in fact plan to proceed to step 2 of 3.

the opinion that 'children should not be gambling' is not solely "my ethical opinion" like you'd want to suggest. it carries legal weight.
So, if there are plenty arguments for and against gambling in this children's game - then the ethical opinions should have equal sway. anyone reading, any casino owner as well, can read arguments from both sides and decide for themselves.

keep your casino if that is what you deem is right. and don't take your cognitive dissonance out on me.

 

hi so this is a pixel game it really isnt that deep

 

im playing on a kids server?

 

alright so the 'trolls', or whatever, are here. Time to wrap this up. Hope we all learned something?

let's hear everyone's final consensus on this issue.
Structure your response like such:
1 I believe gambling (A: should, or B: should not) be accessible in a kids game.
2 I believe this because________________________________.

 

I believe casinos should be allowed (following that they are open and honest about the odds and chances of winning and are happy to discuss it further with players upon request) on a server that is accessible to children. I believe that because it is a safe environment to learn that the house always wins, you can lose everything, in a soft pixel playground rather than when there are real world consequences, I also believe this because even mojang themselves have audited the server multiple times and not seen a problem with this vanilla Minecraft mechanic being used this way. Their only input was can’t use the word gamble on maparts and can’t call the raffle a lottery.

 

Very well said

 

no one is being a troll we are being realistic, it isn’t that big of a deal and it’s a game at the end of the day, no one is developing an addiction through skyblock

 

so dramaticccccc omgggg

 

Sadly this isn’t the case at all, I don’t believe casinos should be outright banned because they are a large part of the server and myself and many others have made and profited off casino machines. But I think the staff need to make restrictions clearer, like requiring all casinos to present their odds and prizes clearly. I know most do but it should be a set rule. Like casinos that put 1/??? for their jackpot and it turns out to be like 1 in 7 million, no joke pretty sure that’s what it was for someone’s yellow key casino a while back. I also think that casinos caught rigging odds/prizes should be hit with really harsh punishments as it’s a form of both theft and fraud. I’m aware this isn’t exactly aligned with the topic itself but wanna put it out there.

Casinos will never go away, especially with Mojang turning a blind eye. But clear, common-sense precautions should certainly be put in place.

 

i for sure agree with the punishments on odds and having to display odds

have seen a fair few things with that 1/????

 

I agree aswell. casinos could also try their best to verify their customers are 18+ before playing.

 

You want players in a minecraft game to verify other players ages before using grass blocks to gamble for more grass blocks… Are you serious

 

these sound like the crocodile tears of a casino owner. why do you think real-life casinos have that age barrier?
The act of gambling itself is addictive in any form.
and its not just the possibility of winning that is addictive.
The catch lies somewhere along the lines of losing it all and winning it back.
In gambling losing doesn't often make you quit, it makes you try again. or at least try once more.
Losing is also an addictive part of gambling.

 

because real life casinos use real life money

 

I don’t own a casino.

Real casinos have that rule because you are betting real money and are there in person.

How can you not understand that this is a minecraft game