So which is it staff need to be active? Or they need to be unactive? You're kinda going against your own comment from earlier here now.

I've never been concerned in what staff do when they're innactive anyway, so that's good

The point is that if a staff member only logs on occasionally to claim their kits and shows inactivity on the server, then the server needs new more active staff that are dedicated to doing the role. We're not talking about behind the scenes staffing we're talking about physical moderators/helpers in game.

Idk if u can't read, but yes this has been mentioned. Several times, and is common knowledge. And maybe one staff member won't be available 247, but that's why you recruit new staff or helpers that are active during the hours other staff are not. It's common sense. Or I'd have thought. And staff do get other perks despite not being paid. They get event staff heads as an example.

Also, at an actual work place, if they asked for volunteers and those volunteers start not showing up for their voluntary duty, they would be fired and someone else would be rehired.

Yeah ofc. Thats a possibility as well. I'm well aware how the staff role recruiting works.

Then perhaps re read greps op. Because this is literally the entire point. Current staff members are no longer as active as they used to be. We've lost a handful of staff over the last vouple of years and they've been replaced with a staff member who's innactive completely for several months, and other staff that only log on briefly now or then. So have more than likely been innactive on the server as much as they should be required.

End of it comes to the fact the server itself doesn't have an active staff presence especially for economy.

Sure, staff want their family time. But then who moderates the server when the active staff won't. Because they all want a holiday for several weeks? Holidays are Drop Party eventa. Staff are needed more than ever at those times. The server reaches full capacity and if all staff aren't bothered to moderste it. It would be a free for all. So I think especially at holidays staff are needed more. Economy eacpecially.

 

I don’t think you understand that this isn’t an actual workplace

 

MrEPro

Its still a work placement wether its voluntary or not, real world business or an online buisness.


(Also, boba was the one to relate the server to irl work placements, maybe remind them)

 

so you want staff members who are chronically online? I mean, yes, some staff aren't active as much, and there should definitely be more hires, but for the current staff, I don't think it's fair to blame them at all you know? I understand your point, Abbie, sincerely I do, but I don't like how this debate is starting to blame current staff members.

 

No,, but this:

I'm not blaming any staff at all for anything?

 

Sure, but applicants are not promoted based on activity alone. Maturity, professionalism and overall attitude matters.

Please re-read my message, I am in agreement with Grep here regarding the high standards applicants are held to at times. As for why no new staff have been promoted, perhaps the applicants aren't what the team are looking for.

Here is what I propose:
- Replace the current staff advisor and bring the role back so applicants can ask for feedback.
- If the server is not looking to promote, perhaps let everyone know so that applicants don't waste their time.
- If staff managers think someone has the potential they should explicitly tell them what they can work on to actually get promoted.

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At the end of the day, as everyone has mentioned, being a moderator here is Minecraft volunteer work. Neither current staff nor applicants should be expected to drop their life for this game, nor should they. If someone is active for an adequate amount of time, they pretty much have already fulfilled their part in terms of activity. There is more that goes into it though.

Demotions are just completely unreasonable. Every current moderator is a valuable asset to the team, regardless of their in-game activity. Given that the team is not gigantic, I just wouldn't see the point in demoting them. I am in agreement with hiring more moderators, but there are specific criteria, which should be made clear, that they need to meet.

 

idk if you don’t understand plain grammar but i’m not sure where exactly i’m going against my own comment. i literally said that if they’re inactive they probably let the staff managers know why.

right but then you proceed to post 5 different staff members’ last seen date so i’m pretty sure you have a bit of an itch.

ok and idk if you can understand it then if it has to be said multiple times.

if they wanted new staff they would promote them. there’s clearly a reason why they’re not promoting new staff members. what that reason is i’m not sure.

clearly not

in irl work placements as well, people are allowed to take breaks and inform their superiors about it. again idk what point you’re trying to make because all of your points don’t make any sense and you’re just stringing a bunch of random information to try and make an argument to stand out and be edgy

 

Haven’t we already well established by now that existing staff members who are inactive are not holding up spots that could be occupied by new staff? I feel as though i’ve seen this argument come up and be debunked like a million times by now. I’m a little bit confused what demoting inactive staff would actually accomplish, or how it is all relevant to the OP in this specific case. It would definitely not result in us getting more active staff.

 

Yeah, I can't lie the topic changed like 20 times I don't even know what the main point is anymore

 

ppl are just posing baseless arguments and found an excuse to act different from the crowd that's rly it

 

Moving forward, let's focus on creating constructive threads with potential solutions rather than engaging in unproductive tantrums. That's so 2016.

 

'In response to the thread title, as Luka said, it’s only inactive applications that get closed but when we are close to hiring time we look at if applicants are fairly active or dedicated.' To clarify for those who can't understand the title...the title means that they are denied a chance by the masses and the team due to inactivity on one or more of those platforms. Had absolutely nothing to do with the applications being closed.

'So condisering that the team isn't very large, and that inactive staff aren't demoted due to them not doong the role the applied for, would that alone not be grounds to hire newer more active staff?
I've often seen new staff apply and get the role. Only to have the role for a few weeks and quit their activitiy. That ist worthy quality's of staff. So therefore new more active staff would be appreciated.' Thank you for pointing out some of my points people have missed.

Argument could be made the other direction. If you are interested in staying staff why wouldn't you be active? If your life gets in the way than it should be acceptable that those people either step down of their own volition or they be demoted and reapply when life is no longer in their way. This seems like an easy answer.

'many declined applications due to inactivity are because people no longer have an interest and leave their application abandoned' Many applicants go inactive on their apps because there is so much backlash on them from them not being hugely active on one of those platforms. Which is the problem. Has nothing to do with them not being interested in being helpful. Most the time I see those denied applicants doing more for the good of the community after their apps got lambasted because they know they'll never get in the team.

'Trust the process and trust the staff team and the players and respect eachother.' This just amuses me. After seeing so many worthy applicants be left to rot because of one reason or another, usually very superficial.
'Now the issue with the comment with “staff being accepted based on popularity” I think is wrong. Staff members can’t help if they become a known player or not' The point of that comment was that you have to be popular to the people already within the staff team. If you aren't, there is no shot. Period.

Christmas and New Year is also when a majority of children aren't in school...so the need for active staff is higher like what?
If it's a volunteer position that's fine. There should still be a minimum and if someone can't fulfill it then wouldn't it be wise to step down and let newer blood who can be active have the roles. If they want to come back, in my opinion they should have to reapply, the server changes, there is no reason a mod inactive for months should be allowed back with the same perms as before, what if something has changed heavily? They should have to go through the process again. If they are such good staff, then getting accepted back by the team and community should be a walk in the park.

'inactive for their own concerns and have probably addressed this to the staff managers and nor do they owe anyone but the staff managers a reason of their inactivity because it is quite literally no one else's concerns due to the potential nature of the problem' If it's so serious they should step down and open those roles to active players.
'these staff members have been staff for quite some time and it's extremely normal for them to get relaxed in their position after a while. when you start off your position, you're expected to be active because you just got promoted but after some time it's typically okay for you to lay back a bit.' This is literally the issue...like if you can no longer be active. STEP DOWN. This has got to be a joke. One of the questions on the staff application is -How much time can you be ingame/online- If those people aren't living up to what they said, what would be wrong with letting new players who are way more active dedicate their time for it.
'i'm so surprised on how butthurt people seem to get over a block game. either play it or don't like really nobody cares. all you people do is whine and whine about not getting this or that but you don't realize the background of being a staff member and i feel like most of this discontent is coming from the fact that your staff application never got accepted but that might just be my pov' The people that actually play care. Wake up. This is one of the most rude and out of touch comments I have seen to date out of you.

 

Habibi I promise you no ones taking up any spot. There's always space for new moderators, the question is are the applicants what the teams looking for?

 

No it's because the ACTIVE players want to see ACTIVE staff. It is not baseless. You really are out of touch with the player base if you think it's baseless.

'There's always space for new moderators, the question is are the applicants what the teams looking for?' Probably not because they don't fit the extremely biased mold that has and will continue to exist with this attitude.

'I promise you no ones taking up any spot' There was an answer for that on the the poll you don't have to come out and be rude about it.

Moving forward, stop trying to shove the real issues under the rug and continue in the problem.

 

Krissy just said they won't be 'opening roles' by stepping down, there is no staff limit!!

 

I'm not being rude I wanted to just make that part clear since you seem to think otherwise. But sure.

 

But aren’t you INACTIVE because you quit???

 

Well they should have no say in who gets accepted or not then. Simple as that. If there really is no staff limit. Why have we only seen the same type of people be accepted, and people who care be dragged?

 

Came off pretty rude. Implied that no one could possibly do what you do. Seriously?