I don't think this either. However when they're obviously copies too, that's then the issue.

 

I’m pretty sure we’re just going to ignore the complaints until the drop party when it’s going to be too late. Doesn’t matter people have copied heads at all.

 

This does not look simular to mine, the shape of the zombie is different, the colors and forms of the candy is totally different. It was my OWN idea. That doesn't mean that no one has ever created a Zombie with candy on the head before since it's a pretty simple Halloween head idea. I liked the other existing baskets and thought I would realy like to see a zombie one as a DP, the only head I took inspiration of is the 2019 Pumpkin Basket.

 

I respect your decisions about the direct copy head, and don’t get me wrong, I agree with that decision, what I don’t agree with is the sentence “Others that appear similar may have taken inspiration from existing designs, but they have not straight up taken the designs” because candy basket is undeniably clearly taken direct from the website with minor edits. You can follow exact pixel paths around the pumpkin in identical shades and patterns. You not wanting to check pixels is your decision and that’s fine, but you cannot say it’s “just inspiration” that’s wrong.

 

52Phenomenon who ‘made’ the Candy Basket head?

 

So was the Owl we voted for but that was removed for being a copy we are just asking for consistency, I understand it’s coincidence the controversial head at question is a staff member submission, perhaps that staff member could have some integrity, one of the great traits of all staff, and end it by agreeing it was a copy.

 

I suggest you make the heads yourself.

 

Allow all types of heads, even ones taken from other designs. The only heads that shouldn't be allowed are direct copies of drop party heads that already exist on the server.

 

Hey 52Phenomenon , I understand it’s difficult for you and staff team to be able to confirm the legitimacy of each and every head and I appreciate the great amount of time and effort it must take to run these competitions, but is it really even a competition anymore? If even a member of staff has completely broken the rules and showed no signs of respect for a competition you put time and effort in to run?

Honestly Oakk should be ashamed of himself. The least he can do is post an apology. I certainly don’t want rule-breakers and flat-out cheaters to be able to hold a staff position. It’s disgraceful. And disrespectful to all of us, including you.

What message does it send to players if even staff break rules in a supposed-to-be-fun competition. I’m not taking any jabs at you and I’m sure the staff entry would be the last entry you’d want to check and doubt if it’s copied or not, but something can’t be right if such disgraceful things are happening under your watch.

I hate to turn a fun competition sour but this year it’s been really really bad and urgent reforms are necessary.

So what should we do to improve you say?

I say a rule should be enforced which states you cannot participate in the drop-party AND cannot submit heads in the next head making competition if you are found to have cheated and copy pasted a head off the internet.

I understand it’ll be hard to identify what’s copied and what’s ‘inspiration’ but if a player is accused of copying off the internet and they cannot provide a logical reasonable explanation as to why their head is so similar (if not the same) as one online then that’s good enough reason to ban them from submissions in the next event and the drop party.

When regular players cheat and copy it’s a shame and a minor problem or inconvenience at the most. When a member of STAFF cheats there is a clear problem that needs to be addressed.

Who knows how many chosen heads from previous drop party’s where just reskinned, slightly edited or fully copied off the corners of the internet. How sad a thought that is.

 

That would just remove the fun from head making, Guarantee you 95% of submitted heads would be from minecraft-heads.com if that were to be allowed.

And why should they be credited at given drop party and/or online for a head they just FOUND off the web. 52 can do that, as can anyone else. Where’s the fun in that??

 

Yeah that makes sense, but players still would be able to vote, which would maybe encourage creativity.

Not really sure if it's a good idea just spitballing.

 

Here's my two cents:

I think that if we all have an issue with heads being copied from internet sources, it should be called out from the beginning, not 2 days before the drop party.

There is lots of room for unique, creative head designs out there that we should not have to rely on the outside sources for quite some time. However, as Phenom said, there is a limit to what can be created in the world, and that will always be an issue. I personally don't care where the heads come from so long as they are kept original. Regardless, as a person who submitted hand-crafted heads, I would be somewhat upset if a head that someone put zero effort into won over one I spent hours creating.

In short, it should be up to the community to police these things. I encourage anyone who wants to submit a head to take as much inspiration as they wish from whatever source they want for the purposes of create something unique, but direct copying defeats the purpose of it being a competition in the first place, and even slight modification is pushing the boundary of copying.

Leave it be this time, maybe we can do better for Christmas.

 

Very well put. Agree with you for the most part.

I still think it would be useful for some sort of punishment like a one-time drop party ban if found guilty of copy pasting for submissions. Make your own heads or don't enter anything at all.

 

I don't think exclusion is the answer. Should a head be under fire for being unoriginal, it should be removed before the initial voting stage. It should be clearly stated why the head was removed, and that may lead to a greater effort from the submitter.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your statement to submit original heads or nothing at all, but a person should not be shunned for putting in minimal efforts. They should instead be encouraged to try harder.

 

Eh, let’s agree to disagree.

Let’s say you had a child. If your child broke your house window playing with a ball and tried to lie saying it was somebody else, would you take away the ball for a while so they understand the consequences? Or would you give them the ball back and politely ask them not to break another window. I would personally take their ball for a bit so they understand what they’re missing out on due to their lying and immoral actions, so they understand to be more honest and careful when given the ball back. It’s the same for this. They have done something wrong, lied about it and expect no form of punishment which I find not acceptable. Especially from a STAFF member. Plus, if you just get your entry taken down with no real consequences, I’m sure players would just take a chance and pray their cheated copy pasted heads wouldn’t be caught, but wouldnt even be that bothered if they were since nothing would happen to them even after cheating. But I respect your point. Just disagree with it ;D

 

I think agreeing to disagree is about as good as it will get haha. You're absolutely not wrong, that is one way of resolving that situation. However, there are beyond millions of ways to handle a child lying about breaking a window. The same applies to this situation. That is all I will say.

 

52Phenomenon i will say i love the way you are handling all of this. genuinely you're doing a great job. and i love players advocating their opinion in a civilized manner.

i'm not the biggest head collector or that into drop parties, i simply enjoy the vibe but i've been keeping an eye on this thread and wanted to slide my two cents over.

i feel like the biggest issue right now is the fact that minecraft players are so talented and so creative that it's really hard to be able to create your own unique head - it is definitely possible but can be hard for some because the heads already exist. 100% you can take an idea and add your spin on it, but i feel like it's really important to cite your sources. i'm sure everyone is familiar with plagiarism and how severe the consequences are for it, and i think this should be applied here. if you are not giving credit to someone you're taking inspiration from or copying similar aspects of someone's work, that's not fair for both others and the original creator.

(side note: when you give credits by pasting the site you got your idea from, people can see how closely it resembles and truly acknowledge the effort you put in to make it unique and "original").​

also, slightly confused on why the original thread is archived and then brought back. people openly claim the heads they create so bias is already presented there. additionally, people can just note down who made what head and share the list if they wanted to. better to keep the thread in the original node and leave it there so people can go back and view who made what.

another thing to note is i don't think it's fair to say that every head should be checked for authenticity. there are so many heads submitted every competition and there are so many platforms where heads are created and displayed, so it's extremely hard to expect one person–the events manager–to go through each and every head to view whether or not it's a copy. if people notice it, point it out. players are equal contributors to drop parties and the whole voting process.

anyways that's what i think lol !!!!!