Thank you for the apology, it helps. But again your comments are merely your own opinion of which I applied a reply, since as you say this is a discussion you seem to be ignoring my ultimate point, that you keep talking about rules when it has been deemed none are broken. Thank you again, what is your next point?

 

You have missed the point Leo.
I essentially pointed out a number of facts that highlight that there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to what they write/say is allowed and what they actually allow.

I ask you this Leo.
Skyblock claim to not condone gambling, but if you ask them, "can I gamble" they will tell you yes.
Tebex state that no items involving gambling or chance can be sold on their platform, but the allow the sale of lucky crate keys.
Do you see the hypocrisy here?

Just because a rule isn't enforced, it doesn't mean it hasn't been broken.

 

Thank you, I see and agree with the hypocrisy Drogo, I understand you don’t like them using the word condone in this instance, I accept it portrays a different tone to what is accepted, but what I don’t understand is why this keeps getting used in the argument “gambling is bad”? What if they changed the sign? You will be happy then? Because everything else is out of our control, we can’t change lawmakers minds, we can’t change Mojangs mind on this or tebex or Noobcrews. It has all been deemed as fine.

“Give us the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed and the wisdom to know one from the other”. You can change the sign in this forum anything else is above and beyond here.

 

I'm not trying to change anything Leo. In fact I stated in my first post that the only ones that can make this change are the law makers.
But just because something is out of our control, it doesn't mean we have to pretend like it's all ok and not talk about it.

To say you don't condone something but then allow it, is not a "different tone", it's an out right lie.
The point isn't raised so much in relation to the "gambling is bad". More so to say, that even with rules in place, there is no guarantee that they will be enforced.

 

I would make more points and replies but we talking in DMs and this isn’t a free show xD

 

Support
As u mentioned yourself, it would be a step in the right direction.

 

I feel that so long as player casinos and minigames have their odds stated, prizes listed or shown, and advice to stop when the fun stops, those are good guidelines for skyblock.

Casinos generally are slot machines, occasionally a different themed redstone build. Most most often slot machines. If each slot had their odds listed, and so form of prize list also, then the player knows what can be won (and lost).


My example given would be my colour rush minigame.

I wouldn't consider this to be a casino because it isn't a slot machine. Its more of a horse race. Whilst yes it's considered betting, I wouldn't call it gambling. Its based on lucky guess, rather than un even odds.

5 colours can race, only one colour wins. But the odds for each colour are equal chances

I have a how to play book, with instructions explaining how the game works, and I have shown prizes in item frames to display clearly what's in the pool to be won. I also have in the book, "know when to stop when the fun stops" or to those lines. Advising players not to play more than they want to.

I feel that these conditions are met respectfully and clearly for all players to see. I do have a slot casino for resources, and again all prizes are listed along with the odds for each slot.

In terms of advertising sure that could be looked into reducing spam in chat, I only tend to advertise colour rush minigame these days, and leave the resource casino for players to find themselves. It's up to them then if they wish to gamble or to place a guess on the minigame

 

Support. We shouldn't be encouraging children to participate in activities in which they are far too young to understand the risks involved.

 

Y’all never went to an arcade as a kid huh? Go to the beach, got the arcade? The place with all the flashing lights and casino machines for children? That’s a shame.

 

You keep trying to find child-like ‘casinos’ in real life instead of accepting that a block game server should not be actively promoting gambling. There is a difference between an arcade playing Mario games and trying to get a stupid bear out of a cage to win it compared to a slot machine with flashing lights and sounds that dispenses out items at a low chance for a big win. Sounds like gambling in its purest form to me.

The end argument is this: Children should NOT be actively exposed to gambling machines and casinos. Just because ‘oh it happens in real life with lucky boxes and arcades and blah blah blah’ does not mean this server can take it a further step and literally promote casinos. I mean come on there’s a literal /warp casino.

And they said /lot was not allowed but they’re fine with this? Pathetic.

I’m not even proposing a ban or anything of such sort. Just making them safer and asking the server to tell players the risks of gambling.

 

And, to add, LeoSteel , you said that parents have the responsibility to keep their kids safe and teach them what’s right and what’s wrong.

Parents have allowed their kids to play Minecraft, and to play on online servers. That is as far as their responsibility goes.

Parents are NOT made aware that casinos and forms of gambling exist on the server, because it does not show anywhere on the website that the server allows gambling. So how are they then responsible? They shouldn’t have to sit by their kids and watch everything that goes on on Skyblock, they should be able to rest assure the server is safe and kid friendly.

And then Skyblock try to cover their rear-ends with ‘Skyblock does not condone gambling’ - that sign is literally placed at /warp CASINO.

I am sure if Noobcrew and the server took more responsibility and notified parents on their website that gambling is present, all parents would take their kids off given server. But Skyblock hide that fact from the outside world because they know a good percentage of their players are under 18.

 

Again I agreed with all your points and you are arguing about my opinion, Jesus, in kids arcades you can literally play cash money casino games at lower prices! You are getting angry about my opinion, as I still believe that a parent should teach them. You yourself used to run and own multiple casinos and happily made money off these “kids gambling”. Now you stopped running casinos and quit for a while all of a sudden you seem bothered? Why, did you grow up and lose money gambling and want something to blame? If that’s the case speak to gamcare.org.uk

 

Wait wait, let’s get on the right page here. Accept my apologies if I have come off as being rude or trying to blatantly argue with you, you gave a point and I simply replied, but I’m guessing you took it as a personal attack. So accept my apologies regarding that.

As for the other point, I don’t think it is very fair to bring up my past casino ownership and running as part of the discussion. As a matter of fact the odds in my casinos were noticeably lower for the bigger prizes than most casinos which opt to the 1/59049 - I usually decreased mine to 1/30 or 40,000. A noticeably better probability.

And you are also unaware I have DM’d multiple players who were under 18 telling them to be careful with my casinos and to not overspend, because gambling is always for fun, not profit. So I would personally call myself a pretty responsible casino operator compared to the competition

I just think this sort of warnings for kids should be shown by the server themselves and they should start taking a little bit of responsibility themselves. And I still do think the server should list forms of gambling as part of their game on the website.

 

How much clearer can I make it to you that I am agreeing with the three points you made. There should be warnings and you know I don’t advertise my casino and there are warning signs all over it. Like you I agree, but you keep coming back to me about my opinion, which will not change here.

 

Wasn't coming at you... wasn't targetting you... you presented your opinion and I presented mine.

But we are getting off topic now so let's leave it there. Appreciated you agree with the main idea anyhow.

 

Personally, I don’t want to end casinos on the server, but more regulation is a MUST. Especially casinos that hide/lie about the odds and prizes. I’ve seen many casinos that have a sign that shows some prizes in that dropper, but then there will be other less valuable items mixed in. 100% casino honesty is a must, and without that it’s just another form of scamming.

As someone who has never auto-advertised, I would love to see it banned completely or at least the time between auto-messages greatly increased. Global chat should be saved for active players, not for a player that joins and goes afk for the whole day. The only exception should be shops, which are the only thing that allows players to increase wealth, besides voting, or buying directly from the website.

As for stopping gambling on the server, whether or not you agree with it, realistically it will never be banned as long as there are crate keys. If casinos go, crate keys will go with it, which won’t happen as Mojang has already approved everything about the server except the lottery.

 

Agreed

 

Bumping this.

It would be nice to have a staff members' imput on this and see if they believe more restrictions should apply.

And of course any other viewpoints and comments are welcome.