Closed Is it still island farming if you make and sell islands for grass?

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  1. Kai123
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    Thought about ways of income and thought this was a good idea but i just want to see others opinions.

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    Obviously using all the supplies on the island you make and not bringing them over to your next island
     
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    I think it is.
     
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    I don’t fully understand your question, but let me go off of what I think you’re saying.

    You make an island.
    You build something.
    You sell that something.
    And repeat.

    I mean, as long as you’re not selling anything relating to the starter island you picked, etc grass, dirt, you should be good. Again, I don’t necessarily understand the question.
     
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    Ok thanks, you understood my question :)
     
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    Technically no this wouldn’t be island farming as you have added something to the island, I’ve seen people sell schematic built mall islands for profit and that hasn’t raised any issues. It entirely depends on what you do to the islands and how often you do this.
     
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    Heya, this is perfectly timed actually.

    There has always been quite a lot of public debate on the rules around island farming, island trading and other things that aren't really clear in the rules, and they are actually right, well, up till now anyway. This week I personally edited the rules to make the whole 'island trading' concept a lot easier for players to understand, because while the majority of islands are eligible to be traded there are still quite a large number that are not allowed to.

    I edited this paragraph to better explain how sometimes island trading can result in the process of obtaining illegal items, in this case dirt. Players may originally think island farming as restarting your island multiple times with an aim to gather lots of illegal items to trade however there is so much more to this rule than most understand and therefore it was vital that changes were made to be clearer. (It doesn't actually say the bit here about island trading, but it is in fact in a new and separate paragraph that I created, here it is below.
    It now says that you cannot trade islands that have more than 77 dirt OR grass on the island. This is now clear to players as some people did not realise that this was island farming - granted it may not have been intentional - but it still is island farming because you are obtaining another island in order to get these resources (again, may not have been intentional but it did occur) and therefore you can still be banned for it. Notice that also the rules include the fact that dirt and bucket trade is illegal (I have no clue why it was not in the rules in the first place on the forums, it definitely is in the rules in-game I promise).

    Hopefully this small edit clears up a lot of confusion between players in regards to what is and what isn't allowed with island trading. Yes, you are more than welcome to trade islands between players, but it is vital that you make sure there are no buckets or dirt:
    • Left in any chests on the island (even if they are locked, they can just ask a mod to break it)
    • Placed anywhere on the island (this includes grass! Grass is just dirt with a shade of green ;))
    • Anywhere else where dirt or buckets can be received by another party.
    Of course, this does not apply to blocks placed IF the number is 77 or below - the starter island amount. So yeah, selling islands without these illegal items in for grass is perfectly allowed.
    Hope this answers your question. :)
     
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    Doesn’t that create a loop hole for island farming? If I make a bunch of islands with the intent of selling them, remove the dirt so it is below the “legal” limit. Remove the buckets and build something saleable. I can mass island farm as the SOLE PURPOSE is to sell the island on and as a by product of the island selling rules I have to remove the dirt and buckets.

    Island farming rule only includes the SOLE PURPOSE of gathering the resources for personal gain.

    Just saying it might need rewording if you want to stop people abusing loop hole terminology.
     
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    If you sell a brand new island, that makes no sense, but if you sell an island with builds and dirt/grass on it, that is fine.
     
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    Hi Leo,
    Perhaps the word choice of “sole purpose” may need to be changed, however if the player keeps making islands to sell them but to keep the dirt this still counts as island farming as they are still obtaining that extra dirt and buckets that isn’t possible without island farming.


    Please read my large paragraph. :p
     
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    Yes I agree with you South, it just makes it a little harder to prove someone is island farming as they can now say they are building islands to sell, and that means they have to remove the items, according to those new rules, to sell it. Byproduct is gains not intended purpose.
     
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    I’ll discuss the situation with the team to see the best way to word the island farming/trading rule so that there is no misconception or loopholes for players. :)
     
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    Tl;dr Selling islands is not considered island farming as long as it have the same amount of dirt on the island in this case its 77 dirt (max)
     
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    Sand is allowed to be on the island - legal to trade now. ;)
     
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    Just a question? Does this affect bans like mine. I understand if not just curious as my island had loads more dirt but it changed
     
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    The rules never changed - this was always against our rules however it was not explained as well as it is now. The only change to the rules is now it is explained in more depth. I won’t go off topic, but this in no way affects your ban.
     
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    Ye forgot about that lemme edit my post xd
     
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    Dirt cannot be transferred from one island to another. Southwark correct me if I'm wrong but if you were to sell your island a moderator has to check to see if you have the right amount of dirt in possession in order to show that you have not been island farming
     
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    Wait so what makes sand different than dirt if they are both limited resources that come from starter islands?
     
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    The difference is that you can only get dirt from island farming (bar placing grass and breaking it) whereas you can get sand in almost every kit (if not all) which means there is constantly a way of obtaining sand meaning it’s not helpful for players to keep it illegal. It also isn’t worth the time island farming just for 3 sand to only get 1 grass and a ban, but that’s another story. There’s a lot of dirt on starter island and if there’s no other way to obtain dirt other than island farming, and we made it legal, everyone would begin island farming. By keeping dirt illegal means we can prevent a surge in the amount of island farmers.
     
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    This makes sense. Thanks for the explanation
     
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