Server changes, 20 minute /fix delay, and Redstone bugs.

Rolly · Jul 31, 2019

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To help clear up everyone's confusion, we would like to make it clear that the recent issue with redstone being entirely broken for a few hours was not at all intentional, but rather an accident caused by an update to the servers, that was not supposed to affect it in the way that it did. Before it was pushed to the live server, no one had tried to test breaking and/or placing redstone, because it was not something that should have been affected. It should all be fixed now. We never meant for it to seem as if we are no longer going to update players when various aspects of the server change significantly; if we had known that it would affect the server in this way, I can assure you that some sort of change log post or public notification would have definitely been made.

With regards to the /fix cooldown, that was implemented primarily to discourage extremely large farms, that end up being used to just afk all day, which significantly contribute to the lag, and have no positive community impact. If players are allowed to quite literally afk on their island, spam /fix for multiple hours per day, and come back to thousands upon thousands of items, with virtually no effort needing to be put into the game, that greatly decreases the incentive to actually work for anything, or interact with the community. As some other people have stated, it has become more of an "afk"-block, per se, rather than Skyblock. We understand that 20 minutes might seem like quite a long time, and we are open to suggestions, as nothing is set in stone; however, I personally believe that at least some sort of cooldown is necessary, to ensure that some amount of effort needs to actually be put into the game. The hard part is finding the balance between a cooldown that is short enough as to not make it too difficult to be able to rely on /fix when necessary, yet also discouraging the giant automated farms that require absolutely no effort after the initial set up, due to the fact that there was no need to worry about tools running out of durability even if being away from your physical computer for multiple hours at a time.

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It isn't so much that the /fix command itself causes any significant lag, but rather that it was being exploited as a way to spend the minimum amount of effort possible, in order to gain massive amounts of materials. Limiting this command will help to limit some of the laggy behaviors, and hopefully help lead to significant improvement in server performance, sometime in the near future, while also providing more incentive to actually work for your items, rather than allowing the server to continue becoming a competition of who has the most money to spend on alternate accounts.

Please don't feel bad for bringing this up. We appreciate all feedback, and are open to suggestions, if the community believes that it will genuinely help. It seems to be quite a common misconception that the only way to address issues such as this one is to "gather together", per se, a large number of players, to "back up" one's argument and/or concerns. Just to clear up any confusion, we are always glad to take feedback and/or suggestions, regardless of whether it is done through private interactions, or community discussions such as this one. This does not guarantee that we will always be able to implement every change, as there are many factors that we must consider, some of which may not be as obvious initially, but we genuinely do appreciate when players are able to provide feedback about the server, and help come up with suggestions. Please don't hesitate to contact any staff member(s) with feedback, suggestions, or questions that you may have.

I believe I have addressed quite a bit of this concern earlier in my reply; however, I would like to reiterate that it is not /fix itself that causes lag, but rather that the cooldown on this command will help to limit laggy behaviors, that are contributing to the decline in server performance, that were only possible when players could quite literally spam /fix multiple times per minute, making the worry of paying attention to item durability basically nonexistent. Players began using it to essentially give their tools the 'Unbreakable' attribute, while afk mining with massive farms, rather than using the feature to occasionally fix their tools when necessary, as a thank-you present, per se, for donating to the server.

Again, similar to my previous response, I believe that the first section of my reply would be prove useful in answering some of these questions. To quickly summarize, the redstone was never meant to be affected in the way that it was, which is why there was no update posted, until after everything had already happened. If we were intentionally disabling redstone, we most definitely would have tried to make sure that we posted some sort of official update.

If you read through this thread, I believe that both Mafro and Matt provided an excellent response. The issue is not with the host, but rather with the way that players are using the server. Changing hosts will do little to help the problem. Mafro also nicely summarized how adding a cooldown on /fix will limit behaviors that cause significant amounts of lag, and how this change could also help newer players.

While nothing can be guaranteed at this time, this is a much more realistic possibility. We realize that 20 minutes may seem a bit extreme at the moment; however, there still needs to be some sort of cooldown on /fix. Using this specific suggestion of changing it to 3-5 minutes, before even considering changing it, we have to consider the possible side effects, as well as if a shorter cooldown time would still be able to accomplish the same goal of limiting laggy behavior. This is the kind of feedback that, as I've stated before, we genuinely do appreciate. An opinion was stated, a possible change was suggested, the effects of this change were considered, and it was left for others to discuss.

The only way to realistically combat this issue is to enforce a few limits. It was never our goal to add as many restrictions as possible, and we genuinely try to reserve adding new limits like this for situations in which it is absolutely necessary. If users do not begin to change the way in which they play on this server, there is not a lot that we are able to do. As I've already gone over in a few previous replies, the host is not the problem, but rather it is the extremely laggy islands created by players that ironically spend more effort figuring out how to not spend time/effort while still receiving the same benefits, than they would if they just played normally from the start.

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It is also important to remember that the server has actually been doing extremely well, when compared to the state of Skyblock, even just a couple years ago. Not too long ago, there was a time when we would quite literally regularly have less than ten people online, for hours at a time. After coming back from a trip, I remember logging on to the server to only two people, other than myself, currently on the server. This is not to say that it cannot be improved, but rather that these changes are not the end of the world, and people will start to adjust to them. On classic, there was a time when a cooldown on /visit, /warp, and /home, I believe, was implemented, which was also extremely controversial at the time. The cooldown on the ability to fix items, which generally should easily outlast the cooldown, assuming that you are not using them while afk for multiple hours at a time, is rather insignificant when compared to some of the restrictions that have been placed on the server in the past.

In the mean time, we are always doing our best to address these sorts of issues, in a way such that the players are happy, while also keeping in mind that there are some restrictions that are necessary in order to provide a smoother experience for the entirety of the server, rather than only catering to the specific group of accounts that significantly contribute to these issues in the first place. Please understand that while we cannot make any guarantees, players are always free to come to the staff team with suggestions, feedback, or questions that they may have, as long as it is done in a respectful manner. The best way to do so is often through the suggestion and/or discussion section of the forums, as that allows others to provide their input as well; however, many of us are open to having private conversations, if some users would feel more comfortable doing that instead.
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For everyone that can’t be bothered to read this.

Tl:dr Just wait 20 minutes for /fix and don’t complain about something 1 minute after it is occurred, because it will be fixed shortly.

Be patient.

Adriansop · Jul 31, 2019

Wasn't this initially implemented because of people using autofix? Why not ban mods/hacks like that alltogether since they're probably even more useful than ranks can get you benefits. (For example Iako's dozen of bots to mine quartz automatically).

Nightflaime · Jul 31, 2019

Redstone issue set aside as it was quickly addressed and is being fix and most of the redstone is now running again.

Talking about the 20min cooldown timer for /repair /fix current issue. Bit harsh yes we can all agree 20min cooldown for a $50 and above donor command is more then a bit harsh.

Looking at this issue from more then one angle.
First lets look at the owner/dev's/mod's angle:

Implemented to reduce lag.
--- kind of co insides with afk farms.
Implemented to reduce afk farms.
--- want to reduce the amount of afk farms on the server to free up lag granting better player experience,
Implemented to better serve the skyblock community.
--- read above

2nd lets look at player angle

Non donor's have on issue as its a $50 and above perk. (pay to use)
--- all non donor's have to do is ask in chat if anyone can repair a item/gear.
$50 and above donor
--- possible chargeback will occur: reducing the amount of time donors can use a payed for command meny people may start to chargeback. I've seen it happen before. It just like saying you can buy /fly but you can only use it during 9am cst and 12pm cst that's all fine and good for people living in central usa but people living overseas may not work so well.
--- look on the bright side you can now start charging for /repairs don't start small eather start at around $1500 on economy and 3-5 grass on classic/skyblock

3rd angle

The ever fading d400 donor

Yet another nerf.

What can be done as this effects everyone even the players that build there afk farms just under there shops so when they get visiters the chunks load and the farms can do what they do (auto sugarcane, auto melon/pumpkin, auto cacti farms) as these farms don't need anykind of player interaction at all no need for a /repair /fix for this kind of farm. semi auto wheat, potato, carrot, beetroot, netherwort farms again no need for /fix /repair for this after the first planting. Stone/cobble gens/manual cut tree farms, vines, wool these farms are the main ones that use /fix /repair. there is a fix to get around this its costly however and requires a hack client like wurst or huzini to auto change tools. Just fill up your hot bar with the tool you will be using to farm with for example wool make 9 shears and fill your hot bar with them. 20 min time x 9 tools = 3 hours even more if you can get off a auto /repair /fix in there some where so about 4 hours of pure afk grinding.

now I haven't forgotten about mob grinders. 2 options here full auto or manual mob killing. Full auto killing requires no /fix /repair as mobs die via falling best choice no redstone. or by crushing.

Manual killing on the other hand can use /fix /repair but does not need to. if sward is enchanted with mending no need for /repair /fix if not then just use same method as the example for the wool farming listed above.

Now is 20min to long yes I agree with all of you that it is very long as most non enchanted tools cant last a full 20 mins.

maybe reduce the cooldown to 3-5 mins even 6 mins is livable.

Choco Orange · Aug 1, 2019

With regard to the /fix cooldown - there is no need for anyone to spam it multiple times a minute. It takes 5+ minutes for a maxed pick to die using it constantly. The issue here is about fixing other things. I have mentioned 80 minutes to fix my armour after visiting the nether after fighting a few blazes. The answer for the big farms is to outlaw them or quote a maximum size AND get staff actually on the server to police it. If I have to slow down my stone gen then so be it but give us back /fix. We need it to play the game.

xMonster · Aug 1, 2019

I don't mind a /fix cooldown, but I do have an issue with it being 20 minutes long. 5 minutes would be more reasonable in my opinion. The issue for lag is the creation of these huge machines. As Chocrange said above, we should police the machines instead of nerfing /fix.

Kbrick · Aug 10, 2019

I believe the /fix delay was completely justified, there was a large amount of lag from people (and their alts) afking at large stone farms and using nuker cheats to mine away. This would strain the server a lot. I am 100% for reducing server lag. I believe it is still under discussion whether nuker is a banned cheat now or not.

Pillow · Mar 29, 2020

Choco Orange said: ↑

With regard to the /fix cooldown - there is no need for anyone to spam it multiple times a minute. It takes 5+ minutes for a maxed pick to die using it constantly. The issue here is about fixing other things. I have mentioned 80 minutes to fix my armour after visiting the nether after fighting a few blazes. The answer for the big farms is to outlaw them or quote a maximum size AND get staff actually on the server to police it. If I have to slow down my stone gen then so be it but give us back /fix. We need it to play the game.
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there are ways to fix it (kinda)

lilCupcakeFreak · Aug 22, 2019

Today i had to take down multiple inventorys of wool, if i could still /fix everytime yes it would be faster, but it ook little to no time to fix my shears at my grinder. Wich is just a basic 8 spawner grinder. Yes it may be 'annoying' but if you play 'normal' legit survival in single player you can't do /fix either..
And yes, I understand its a perk, and people pay for their ranks and their perks but if it might help reduce lag I don't see a problem because you can still /fix, maybe just not as much as youre used to.

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Server changes, 20 minute /fix delay, and Redstone bugs.

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Server changes, 20 minute /fix delay, and Redstone bugs.

Were the /fix changes justified?

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