Spam bots getting out of hand

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  1. Megacrusher4200
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    Let’s face it. Spam bots can be pretty annoying, especially when you are trying to get a message out to the public. I mean I can understand players are trying to cause trouble, but it is getting to the point where skyblock.net is under attack every day by spam bots. This needs to stop. And ip-banning doesn’t help. I could list 3 different ways that this wouldn’t work.

    There has to be a different way to stop this. First off, who is doing this? Is it one person? Can you get to the bottom of this? After ipbanning somebody, they can attack again in like a day or so. But really, this needs to stop. Message to our developers:
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    Spam bots or accounts can rarely be properly stopped. Even with classics “move before talking” at spawn it didn’t work. They best way is to give staff more control in dealing with these bots and promoting more active staff to deal with bots.

    I’ve seen the same kind of spam on major servers but they seem to have harsher penalties and automated systems because they are less focused on keeping players since they gain a lot more new players.

    Improved bot protection with more staff keep the chat clear so players don’t log in with a bad impression and think our server is just spammers would immensely improve the experience. Plus having more permissions in higher staff such as ip ban for super mods may resolve a lot of bot issues quickly and effectively
     
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    Its pretty easy to create a spam not... All you need are proxies and you can rent 5million of them for $200 and you can buy nfa alts for one cent. And the coding is available online... Once you start IP banning them. They will star running 2-3 accounts off one proxies and have 20+ proxies running at the same time... Tbh I don't really believe that there is a finite way to stop them.
     
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    lol spam bots are properly stopped on all bigger servers.. but the dead server that the owners neglect. do you guys really not see their algorhythm here??
     
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    Laini told me an alt check does not work on the bots, there may be a chance they would be differing in IP's (I don't know).

    Giving more permissions to staff members is the easy way around it but less effective. Having bot protection will be harder to do but more effective.


    They can develop something that can prevent bots like if a bunch of people say the same message at the same time will cause a bot confirmation (you will have to say a unique code in order to be able to speak again) It's an idea.
    I'm curious.

    who is doing this? - it's not easy to know who is doing this
    is it one person? - most likely it is one person
    can you get to the bottom of this? - be more specific
     
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    You basically repeated what I said.
    IP bans are useful to remove it from future use but staff also should be able to permanently ban said accounts to remove them from future use. Although I am very....VERY aware this permission has to be treated with care.
    But if you read the whole post instead of assume I dismissed bot protection...
    From experience this has been easily by-passable so you can't just leave it up to some radius where chat is blocked. For example we still had the same bot problem on classic with the same kind of protection... as I said before. It isn't fool proof.

    But since two accounts can cause just as much spam as bots with simple hacked clients and cracked accounts. In the event it isn't just a bot but actual accounts logged into someones PC then you need something more than a unique code and a chat free radius. Because most spam isn't done by bots... it is actual people. People who can control the accounts. Staff need to be equipped sufficiently.

    So now that we have cleared that up... I am not dismissing bot protection. I said we needed it.
    But I am pointing out that you cannot rest all your hope into this one idea. Spambots are one chunk of a spam issue that is increasing because
    a) the server is gaining newer players and the rank is increasing
    b) there is not enough spam protection and
    c) there are not enough active moderators and we are encouraged to report everything which unfortunately means a lot of players will be exposed to a lot of spam before its resolved (if they are not familiar with /ignore and quiet mode).


    Spam issues don't just mean people use bots. So you need more than just bot protection.
     
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    Spam is annoying. Most spammers have alternate accounts so if they are banned or use bots, they can bypass most Moderators and/or Admins. I may do some research on the use of bots and the engines or clients they are ran on. I'm gonna see if I can find a way to help stop or at least slow down the speed of spam.

    EDIT: After doing a bit of research, I have come across a website that allows you to get a Minecraft Spam Bot. I will not say the websites name because this could open up more problems. If any Moderators or Staff wanna know the website, message me and I will tell you. Any player that isn't Staff who tries to ask me or beg me to tell them the website, you will be IGNORED.
     
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    "bAn tHeIr Ip'S" or we could just implement and antispam system like every other modern day server?
     
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    I could talk to Myrmidous about this idea. He's a Developer and should know what to do. :)
     
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    ah yes i bet u have good connections while you do that, i'll just continue watching you guys get brainwashed??
     
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    Maybe, you could try and set up a system that only allows, residential proxies for the first time connecting? These are harder to get as standard vpn plans use data centers... Myrmidous WOuld This Work?
     
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    I apologize for the late response.

    Spam and advertisements are always an issue, especially the more popular a server becomes. There are many plugins and generalized solutions to relieve or partially correct the problem. However they are focused so broadly that loopholes are impossible to avoid. For example the "must move for chat" method: Good in a broad sense that makes it useful for every server... but beatable overall because of how generic it is.

    Lately I've been thinking that perhaps instead of a large solution to spam we could benefit from a more tailored approach. For example it occurs to me that spambots do not have islands: I wonder if something could be worked out there? After all we do have "local" and "global" chats; perhaps our non-islanders could be "local chat only" while islanders can use global?

    I'm sure there are problems with this and things to work around. But it does create a very "Skyblock" flavored solution; it seems like a spambot would need to be specifically targeted to us to get around it. Although I admit I may be wildly off base since I have never looked into spambot creation.

    Ideas, anyone?

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    Having the spam bots talking in local chat would be somehow a good idea. Maybe make anyone who doesnt have an island when they first join for a few minutes or so moved into local chat automatically or something?
     
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