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  1. MindSensation23
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    I had an idea, when I was looking at .NET - Chat Filter | Skyblock Forums <-- Inspired.

    Staff. They should be able to look at the word said that can is starred out. Also, it should allow more words like "grapes" <-- Come on now.

    I say that Staff members should be able to look at the word said because if it is not an actual curse word, or inappropriate word, what is the point of muting, banning, etc. Take this situation for example:

    Friend: Hey, what did you eat for lunch yesterday?
    Random_Greenie5: G***** <-- (Grapes)
    Mod: Random_Greenie5, Please do not curse. Keep the chat G-Rated.
    Random_Greenie5: Im not cursing!
    Mod: It looks to me that you are.
    Random_Greenie5: GR4P3$
    Mod: has warned Random_Greenie5 for evading chat filter.
    Random_Greenie5: I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!
    Mod: You evaded chat filter.
    Random_Greenie5: Gr4p3$
    Random_Greenie5: Gr4p3$
    Random_Greenie5: Gr4p3$
    Mod: has tempbanned Random_Greenie5 for 5 minutes for "evading chat filter multiple times. Warned before."
    Friend: Unban him! He was telling me his lunch yesterday!
    Mod: Sorry, too late.

    -- Friend & Random_Greenie5 leave and never join again. --

    I'm saying that mods should be able to do this.

    Friend: Hey, what did you eat for lunch yesterday?
    Random_Greenie5: G*****
    Friend: Huh?

    Mod sees this:

    Friend: Hey, what did you eat for lunch yesterday?
    Random_Greenie5: Grapes
    Friend: Huh?
     
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    I understand your point here, but there’s a thing wrong here.

    I would let the first thing slide, and calmly explain that the word “grape” contains a word in the filter, and suggest avoiding the word or substituting it with something else.

    The second part however, is the user knowing the word is in the filter and purposely spamming and filter evading, which warrants a temp mute.

    All in all, the filter should be changed, but rules are still to be enforced.
     
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    Using the word grape is totally fine in my opinion, unless you find a way to use it in an inappropriate, or a harmful way. The only word the word grape is censored is because it has the word
    in the word. The plugin just detects that word in the word grapes, and blocks it. Saying the word grape should not be punishment worthy, at all, unless it is used in an inappropriate way. At one time, the word muffin and grass were both censored because they both contained inappropriate words (I don't know why muffin was blocked). The easy fix should just be to unblock the word from the filter, along with some other silly words.
     
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    Staff need to realise the only reason why people say the word is the reaction. It is such a meme now that even Mineverse staff think that the mods who do this are a joke. The same stupidity is being passed down and its hurting the server. People are being treated unfairly over a simple word and good players are being warned and having their reputations ruined by staff in this regard.

    The rules originate from Mineverse. Mineverse is just as much of a kid friendly server as Net, yet they do not bother with warning people when their language is changed to stars. This is the INTENDED WAY THE RULE WAS TO BE ENFORCED.
    Because a child cannot see the word so they would never understand what it is. If a child asks why is there asterisks then the answer is simply: "They said a bad word".
    To know what the word is by context would mean they already know the word to begin with, therefore would know its wrong to say. It is the parents job to TEACH THEIR KIDS if they are going to let their kids online. Minecraft is a game for people 10+ after all.

    But now comes the "common sense part" which unfortunately isn't so common. If players cannot see what the word was, if the word is innocent and its not being used inappropriately... then what actual harm is that doing. Sure, a few people may copy and you get a few people say it... but it will die down as long as mods don't react.... because staff don't need to react to that. Common sense...

    I used to see the same thing. I would tease players and say grapes for the lols and watch them try and get filtered. It never hurt a soul and everyone was happy. No one decided to spam it. If you get too uptight, players will fight back and that is where flame and protest start, which make the chat far worse than if you had just let that one kid say grapes.

    Now to actually get to the suggestion r
    Now you are the perfect example of why this whole situation is ridiculous. This is what staff see when the filter picks up a swear word:
    As you can clearly see Jubinha said a bad word which is filtered and below staff (when I was staff) saw this. So I knew what they were trying to say. (They were spamming this so they were punished). So technically whenever a person says Grape, staff know what was being said. The issue is some staff won't stop punishing for it. If instead of punishing for it staff told users that the word being said was grape instead of shaming people then more players would stay.

    So yeah, Mindsenstation23, you suggestion is a reality. It is a shame that some staff are not mature enough to figure this out.
     
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    I just witnessed this Situation this morning on minechat where a moderator warned someone for saying Grapefruit and was like "seriously?". Ironically those Kids where just talking about how ridiculous it is this word is even filtered.

    A moderator's Job is to moderate, to keep things moderate but also to be moderate in his way to moderate (and I put this moderately). They have to enforce rules, not laws. Otherwise it's a Police (although I have experienced members of the Police who were much more able to "let it slide" when noone was hurt).

    The specificness of rules is that they can be legitimately broken if everyone can agree with that and noone is hurt. And I cannot believe anyone disagrees with the fact the word "Grapefruit" or "Grape" or "Bass" or whatever can be said on a minecraft Server. EVEN if it's just a cocky manner to trigger this funny filter (who really deserves that fun is made of it).

    Seriously, I cannot believe that the staff Manager / owner condones this so I wonder if clear directives are forwarded to the Moderators so they can do their Job in a way that doesn't make the Players flee from the Server.

    As Krissy said, those words got an increase in usage because of this odd Situation. Like some Streisand effect.


    EDIT: on second thought, I don't understand why the word "Rape" is censored in the first place. It is not a swear word, it isn't even an offensive word, it is just a word for something very bad, like the words "death", "cancer", "murder", which aren't censored.
     
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    It is meant to be a G-Rated chat. Rape is more of a PG, or PG-13 type. <-- I'm just guessing.
     
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    Even so, it’s a word mods can handle if it gets over the top offensive. The server is not only for small children so it becomes rather annoying to have to everything so g rated.
    We can’t keep wrapping children in bubble wrap on the server. If their parents are ok with them using the internet then they are knowingly letting them access anything. They bear the responsibility not us
     
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    However, we must try to keep a G-Rated chat.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. It's not like there is any authority watching upon the skyblock chat ready to shut down the server whenever someone says the f-word.

    Anyway, warning for saying "Grapefruit" isn't necessary for being g-rated, whatever the reason for saying that word might be. Some mods need to calm down and stop to behave like a robocop, or the hype over the new server won't last long.
     
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    Fully agree.
     
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    Most of the mods are chat mods now honestly
     
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    I support this
     
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    The chat filter has been updated.
     
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    I just tested it, has the update been implemented already? Because if it has, grape is still filtered.
     
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    Honestly, filtered words are there for a reason. I don't see the problem of a word coming up as "****"
    Even it were to be a curse word, unless you really bypass it, nobody is going to know that the word being said, is actually a curse. It's filtered for a reason. Now if somebody spams, or actually bypasses it, by showing the word, like
    "f#!k", then that's debatable. When somebody says "grape" and turns out to be "g****", you can assume the word, but there's no point on kicked/ muting or banning the player for this action.
     
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    I know the word was removed from the config file. If you have access to /gc you could check the server uptime. Might not of restarted.
     
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    Thank you so much for taking the time to make a suggestion!

    Your suggestion has been thoroughly looked at, and we’ve decided to take your word! Your suggestion has been accepted.

    This thread has been moved to the Suggestions Archive. If you are dissatisfied with this action, please report this post, and a moderator or administrator will reconsider it.

    Kind regards :D
     
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