promote sean again

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  1. MyNamesJeff
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    title says it all. promote sean, he was a really good forum admin. yeah sure he said some bad stuff about emerald, but its the truth. just because he said those things isnt a reason for him to be demoted. if the demote is temporary, like 1-2 months or something, thatd be good. so many people were asking why he was demoted. Krissy said that he was one of the best admins/mods.

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    RATE THIS WINNER IF YOU WANT SEAN AS ADMIN AGAIN
     
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    I liked him as admin. A warning would be fine.
     
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    support plz :^(
     
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    The truth hurts.
     
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    cypriot shouldn't have demoted him. ok sure, he "disrespected" emerald. but he bloody well deserves it. Sean was a good forums admin and can continue being one. truth is, some of these trial mods aren't great. promote sean before your server dies, cypriot
     
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    Do not get me wrong. I respect decisions made by Cyp, regardless if I disagree. In this case I feel like this one was not the right call simply because the matter at hand was far deeper than just a roast on an innocent staff. I mean no offense to anyone as I continue.

    Firstly as someone who is active in the staff team, and I would challenge anyone to dispute that, I have watched things unfold that would never have happened years ago. Not in a million years would an Admin be pushed to the absolute limit by a moderator, enough to provoke such a strong response. The sad thing is people didn't ask why? As if this was all unprovoked. What was supposed to be a wake up call to a certain staff became a dramatic turn of events fueled by hatred, frustration and anger. I think one of the biggest moments of shame for moderators was to drive an Admin to that point.

    I would love nothing more than for Cyp and Sean to work this out. For the sake of this community. The uproar from the player base should be a strong indication of how strongly Sean influenced the server. His job and knowledge was vital (Fixing ranks, activating accounts, name changing, date of birth changing, removing ratings, pinning threads, removing inappropriate pictures, fixing glitched bans, unbanning players, promoting and demoting on the forums, enforcing law and more). Replace him with anyone else? It wouldn't be the same.

    What is more crushing is he leaves us with a big gap in admin work. The Australia/Asia timezone for a long time was under represented. It is only when Sean was promoted that we finally had someone to do admin tasks without waiting hours for Cyp, who had a lot to do already. We need him back. Take away the incident that occurred. Was he a great forums admin? Yes. Was he trustworthy? Yes. Did he abuse his position? No. Was he a big help to Cyp? Yes.

    If Sean would come back and things can be worked out I would want that to happen. It is really up to Cyp and Sean to work out. But again, I support this suggestion and I hope things can go back to the way they were.
     
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    What Sean did wasn't right...give his honest opinion about a person in public...but that's also why he always stood out in the crowd...for not being scared to voice his opinion in public. He tended to do it in a manner that never hurt anyone, had a clever sense of humor and he was very involved in the community...performing his duties on the forums daily, playing and was social in-game often and spent time chatting with friends on their profiles, helping players, being polite to everyone, commenting on a variety of threads...all the things that really matter for a person in his position. But I appreciated his honesty, above all.
    I think the tmod is just new to all this and will hopefully learn in time, given the chance.
    If Sean was demoted, Cyp may not realize what a true asset he has lost, as I am sure there is/was a way to make it all better without resorting to this. Cyp should re-think the decision he made.
    If Sean resigned, I want to smack him. I hope he will communicate with Cyp and the others he mentioned and work things out. Sean should re-think the decision he made and try to get his job back.
     
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    Another glaring issue is that there was zero communication during this incident and I have the PM’s to prove this. People cannot say that I didn’t intend to work all this drama out when it hit a critical point.

    This entire situation wasn’t a spontaneous choice. I didn’t wake up one day and be like, “You know what? f*** Emerald!” He pushed, prodded, and attacked me subliminally for weeks before I snapped. Another concern is that he had Roblox in his ear, telling him how to annoy me.

    Another issue is that hardly anyone respected my position on the forums and openly under minded what I did. It was hard to regain control when no one listened to what I said. It was hard to be functional when half the staff team wanted to be dysfunctional. I never once slammed a gavel and forced my word to be final, these trial moderators did.

    You’re pushing the blame!”

    I am. I’m pushing the blame because I am not at fault for this entire ordeal. I made a ‘to be honest’ thread and replied honestly. If you do not want honestly, do not ask for it. No other player complained about what I said about them, despite the fact that some could have been taken just as bad.

    Emerald was so upset with my ‘to be honest’ reply because every point I made was spot on and he, and everyone else, knew it. If I had sent that via PM he would have ignored it. If I posted it in the staff section he would have ignored it. If I posted it in any of the staff chats, he would have ignored it.

    We never saw eye to eye and I accepted that. He was a softer moderator and I was ruthless and made sure that things were done meticulously. Loose ends and nonsense bans were always my points of focus. I always avoided anything regarding my ‘friends’ or myself and it always worked.

    I sent Emerald, Clxrity, and Extasify a PM trying to get over any beef and/or issue we may have had.

    A bit blunt and a tad threatening, but why is someone a moderator if they refuse to work as a team? I made the initiative to reach out and fix it and I got a one line sentence that tossed it back in my face. You better believe I was angry. Never have I been so disrespected and disregarded by a trial moderator.

    The kick in the face is not only was my word disregarded, another moderator’s word was ignored, as well. They were a super moderator. No matter how much you distrust me and my word, can you really label them as the same?

    Official demotion message.

    Hey. dude..

    I've spoken to you about it once but this time you have gone way too far. I can't have you talking down to the moderators like this, especially in public. It's also not appropriate for you to speak that way to another person as a forum administrator.

    I'd also appreciate you don't tell the moderators I am going to demote them. I never once spoke to you about demoting moderators, ever. They messaged me because they were worried I was demoting them.

    I'm afraid I'm going to revoke your permission as a forum administrator. This is unacceptable behavior, Sean. I can't have you acting like this towards the moderators.


    Now, let’s break this down.

    I've spoken to you about it once but this time you have gone way too far. I can't have you talking down to the moderators like this, especially in public. It's also not appropriate for you to speak that way to another person as a forum administrator.”

    Right. The main reason for demotion is listed in the very first paragraph. My ‘to be honest’ thread. I never thought something like this would be a reason for demotion. It makes sense, but if this was a real work environment, you cannot get the manager fired for swearing or being honest. I have seen managers thrash (not psychically) employees in front of customers.

    As much as I respect Cypriot, this is slightly weak.

    I'd also appreciate you don't tell the moderators I am going to demote them. I never once spoke to you about demoting moderators, ever. They messaged me because they were worried I was demoting them.”

    Again, I never threatened to demote them, I simply said that Clxrity should relish her last few moments before Cypriot found out. I was obviously wrong assuming refusing to work as a team and ignore other staff continuously was demote worthy. I have seen moderators demoted for less.


    I'm afraid I'm going to revoke your permission as a forum administrator. This is unacceptable behavior, Sean. I can't have you acting like this towards the moderators.”

    Understandable, but very one-track. I cannot act like that to them, but they can attack me, leak things for weeks, and ignore everything I say? Emerald was leaking to Roblox when Roblox was a staff member on .zone, the same period when most people from .zone were banned on sight, and he wasn’t punished.

    Please do not attack Cypriot at all. That will just get you guys punished and that’s not fair.
     
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    This is all because of a 'tbh' thread. Honesty isn't always positive. If people wanted a tbh then they should be able to handle whatever is written down. If not, then they shouldn't ask for one.

    Most people can agree that everything Sean wrote down was true, even though it was written down in a way that some people didn't like it, it was still all true.

    Sean is one of, if not, the only staff member I've seen that spoke his mind, no matter what the issue was. Being demoted for being honest is disappointing, especially when the person he was honest towards was asking for it. After reading what Sean said in this thread, I feel like the demotion could have easily been prevented. He wanted to work it out, clearly. He could have easily ignored it but he wanted to work it out as a team which proves that he tried to do something.

    I am not a staff member, so I obviously don't know what else went down, but demoting Sean was a mistake. He's actually one of the best staff members that Skyblock ever had, and is one of the most honest, which is probably why it was easy for everyone else to attack him when he clearly had done nothing wrong. I used to think Sean was wayyyy too brutal but then I realized he was the only one that actually had the balls to say something.
     
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    stop beating a dead horse. it's obvious that these forums don't need Sean anymore as a forum admin. if he really was useful, Cyp wouldn't demote him.
     
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    The chain of command needs to be respected by lower level team members and backed-up by the higher ones.
    Sean made a mistake, for sure...but Cyp has also made a mistake by taking care of this matter in this way...as it could have all been avoided.
     
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    Emerald shouldn't have went on the thread if he hadn't thought through the response that he might be given. such an ignorant fool, his foolishness has affected others too unfortunately
     
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    My point. It's clearly a "to be honest" thread. If people don't want honesty, then they shouldn't reply.
     
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    yeah i know. i mean like.. if you're going to be a wuss... don't comment on those threads. not everyone likes you
     
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    Especially when you're asking for an opinion in public, and you know that you both don't really consider yourself friends, what're you going to expect? It's a thread where being honest is the only point of the thread. This could've been easily prevented by just not posting if you both knew that from a truthful person comes a truthful response.

    I was still a moderator when some of this happened, and it wasn't really Sean in the wrong. Yes, there were arguements but Sean took the time to write a response to try to work it out. It's kind of upsetting that they really didn't care whether it's truthful or not and just left. It doesn't seem fair that all of this was blamed on Sean.

    Sean was really helpful around forums. All the PMs I sent him during being a moderator, he did what was asked really quickly, especially considering he's on the other side of the world and he has tons of PMs to go through everyday. Not to mention the things he did like name changing, rate abuse and helping out the community as a whole.

    Even though these "PROMOTE SOMEONE PLZ" suggestions don't really get the attention of Cypriot, support anyways because I genuinely want Sean to be repromoted.
     
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    Ok ok. If I - not a staff member - did the same with you - not a staff member - for example. What would happen? Nothing. Does that "Mod" title change the fact of disrespect???

    No offence doii
     
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    Absolutely agreed. Though Cypriot doesn't look into these threads much he should realise it's his loss if Sean's gone afterward
     
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    Emerald shouldn't have commented on it lmao
    This little debate that's going on, is pretty useless, considering that no one has objected to things Sean has said about Emerald, so is it not a safe assumption to assume everything he said was true? Some moderators are even in agreeance and/or supported Sean's statement.

    Sean being demoted has nothing to do with his work ethic, and has everything to do with a sensitive trial mod that is desperate for full mod.

    On a side-note, why aren't Sean's claims on Emerald being investigated?
    Or Cypriot simply does not care?

    Sean was one of the only people on the staff team (imo) who doesn't carry that fake vibe, and although it would be great to see a re-promotion, I doubt a title on a minecraft forum would affect him much.
     
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    For just pennies a day, you can change the server, and make Skyblock great again. This poor soul, Sean, was treated poorly through his time as an admin. For just pennies a day, you can help Sean put his life back together.

    Make Skyblock great again!
     

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