Equal interpretations and punishments (long suggestion)

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  1. Korangar
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    I mean. It was a bit pointless of it to be in Main chat. Like I said, both parties could have handled it better.
     
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    True. which is another reason why they need to make "island" chats where only people in their island can see what they're saying. After all, there is a global chat and a local chat. Island chats will just help make it easier for boths sides. Mods wont be bothered, and also, 2+ people can talk together at the same time
     
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    Still not relevant to the suggestion.
     
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    Krissy, it is unfortunate that you did not reason your no support. Do you mind doing so?
     
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    Lets assume staff want to be on the same page with punishments. How do you get 20+ mods of different ages, values, ethics, experience, personalities to agree on one set way to punish. How do you get stubborn staff to change their ways when they are still doing their jobs?

    How do you think we should determine punishments when players try and find loopholes to every single rule because they want to get away with things? There are factors to consider including past offenses, experience on the server and context of the situation that influences punishments and that, in itself, differs from staff to staff.

    How can there be a one size fits all system when most situations differ? This may be a way to let you get away with things but it will all backfire when all staff will punish equally as harsh.
    Every change that I am envisioning that will work does not end well for any player who likes to push boundaries.

    I am no supporting for one reason. If you want to make a suggestion like this it needs to have some form of solution in it that can be supported or not supported. identifying the problem is easy, it is just talk. What is harder is taking that step to think of a solution. Punishments should be equal? How are you going to do that? What would that mean?

    Even if I hadn't wrote my reason I still do not need to justify a no support rating as the intention for those ratings is to simply say your stance on the idea.
     
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    Thank you, will add later. But I do think getting 20+ moderators to agree on certain rules will not be hard - it has worked before. Yes, loopholes do exist. And these loopholes can be countered with the punishment for the rule the loophole exists for.
     
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    It has not worked very well. If you do not realise there has been so many arguments in the back trying to come up with something everyone agrees with. It is not as easy as you think it will be. Maybe a few mods agree but then you have the other staff who wont change. Thus you have different mods doing what they do and because it gets the job done, nothing is said.

    But this is it, we are punishing for the loopholes people use yet there are complaints as such. What you are doing is essentially using a loophole to say what you did was above board. I wasn't there but from the sounds of it you spammed in the chat things you should say in private which causes issues in chat. So were you punished for it? Im sure you were.

    Would the punishment be harsher if we all used the same punishment system, yes.
    Would players be fine with breaking the rules and getting punished any more than they are now? Any system will have faults, players will complain, back to square one and it would put staff in a spin. Theres just things that cannot be solved so simply.
     
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    Going to write my opinion on this later.

    I'll edit this post.
     
  9. Korangar
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    Okay, for the suggestion. No support.

    There are rules that are set. I'm sure they were set before most, if not all, of us were playing here. We shouldn't change that. Mods do their jobs. Some more harshly than others, but they're literally just trying to make playing here pleasant for others. We don't need to interfere with that.
     
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    Ehhhhh, what? I don't want to change rules?
     
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    Mods are just ....
     
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    xD Punishment. Oops. I was so on the wrong track with that.
     
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    There are punishments that are set? are you aware that the entire point of this thread is that there are NO set punishments?!
     
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    The entire law has to be based on certain rules and punishments. If an individual breaks a certain rule, a certain punishment is applied. This system has greatly been introduced with the industrial revolution, although it can be seen before too. A system like this is essential for any law system to work. And the same goes for Skyblock. If someone breaks a rule, they should be punished accordingly. The punishments can of course be more severe for more certain stages of the rule (first degree grief, second degree etc.) just like in real life.

    I don't see how moderators aren't capable of going with this system. On all servers on Minecraft that have a community, a general playerbase over 500 and normal administrative people this works like this.
    So I'd say;
    If a moderator can not co-op with set rules and punishments they should quite frankly not be a moderator.

    You also asked for a solution. There are countless solutions. This is the one I consider one of the most reasonable:

    It's also ridiculous that the administrators have grown so inactive to ignore this. There has to be one person or atleast a group of people that says creates the guidelines and makes them very clear for the rest to follow. If the rest do not follow, they should be warned and/or kicked out. We had this working perfectly on skyblock, but as cyp and crew grew terribly inactive it's visible how now the super moderators create the guidelines; all how they'd like. So the new moderators will ask the super moderators for advice, since they obviously know the punishments or watch them punish and follow suit.

    This will be an endless cycle. Which will inevitably lead to Skyblock's doom. (Doughhh)

    I am suggesting this for the moderators to change something. The administrators changing something would be even better, although unlikely. But the moderators can change this. Make a council, let the players take a huge part and decide how this should be done.

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    What is your reason for your negative support?
     
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    Support

    The point of rules is to follow the rules and not to make up rules or let the rule breaker get off easy.


     
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    I think people would be interested, however it is your choice :)
     

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