Hello Skyblockers,
I've been wanting to post this thread for a while now. I was just waiting and looking at the scene. Throughout the years, the staff team have changed a lot. It's easily visible from seeing the ban length vary. A year or two ago, permanent bans were common for offenses. However today, a not-minor grief holds a 2-3 day ban. This is very interesting to watch, and at times, as shown by the community very frustrating. However this has also created another side-problem:

In-equal interpretations and punishments.



You see, a few years ago there was a strict rule system and ban length time. Everyone followed it. But the rules have, very sadly, not been updated a lot. And if they were updated it was by a super-moderator. This and other factors lead to there not being an equal system.


I've finally stumbled across an example that leads me to write this today. I will try to not mention anyone.
Today in chat, I was talking with another player about buildings. We used variables to decide the buildings scale (X*Z*Y). An online moderator found this annoying and asked to take it to private message. I could see how this conversation is unpleasant so I agreed to move it to private measage. But the interesting part is that the entire conversation was classified as "spam".
This classification shows that "spam", to that moderator, means that something is not wanted to see and therefore should be removed. This resulted in a revolt from numerous players about how the conversation did not break any rules and, quite frankly, was not spam. The moderator replied about not wanting to argue. However, it ended in an argument in chat with both sides talking. (punishments were served in the end to only the players). I messaged the moderator asking about this very thing after the discussion was over

You see; I had a conversation that was not wanted to be seen by the moderator.
But all of a sudden there is a discussion in the chat that nor I or many other players would like to see. This is, however, not classified as spam. The conversation could've been moved to /msg too, but was not. And for that, only one party was punished; the defenseless one.

As you can see, the example shows the different interpretations of spam. Some people see it as "283rufevguiewgfdzui", others as annoying conversations. And this is a very big problem. There are plenty, and I mean plenty of other examples of this happening. Just look at the moderator reports!


In a legal system it does not work that each administrative or moderative individual sees something competetly differently and throws out completely different punishments. So my suggestion is that, for the good of the server (since this is making people frustrated and quit) a new punishment system is introduced:

One that is visible to everyone to avoid disagreements and can not be modified unless the person is a major repeat offender. This would stop countless arguments and debates. I strongly suggest that if this should get implemented the overwhelming party to decide the lengths of punishments should be the players; just like how kids in school have to create and sign their own "class rules". Of course this varies a lot, but it is essential that the people decide (with supervision) how the system works.

I am suggesting this for the moderators to change something. The administrators changing something would be even better, although unlikely. But the moderators can change this. Make a council, let the players take a huge part and decide how this should be done.


Thank you for reading.

Signed,
Leon3ppp



P.S
Read the entire comment section before you disagree on something or make a completely new point. If you have not quite understood what was meant, please don't hesitate to ask. I'd would also be highly appreciated if you state your support or otherwise down bellow with a reason. This can be quoted out of an earlier reply if already said.

 

I'd also consider this a valid point in:
Server Downfall | Skyblock Forums
A thread about the servers state. I suggest you read that thread too, especially the comments.
Dough

 

From CypriotMerks

Spam and caps locking is not aloud here, look at other servers where you can do that if you want to. Think spam is a canned meat? Nope, it is an acronym. What does it mean? It means Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages

So, that was not considered spam in my opinion, as it was not stupid, it was point full, and not really annoying.
I do agree that the punishments should be more harsh, and in my opinion, I like Rob's way or moderating.

 

Hmm.. I'm not going to take sides on this, but I would like to comment. I think both sides in this situation could have handled all of this better honestly. It was something simple that got way out of hand in a matter of seconds and could have been easily avoided in my opinion.

I believe the whole "spam" thing in this situation was just your name literally popped up like 5 times in a row before anyone else posted.. The messages were different, short and all related to building. I understand this. I also understand the Mod asking you guys to take it to private. I honestly believe if anyone else were to do it, they'd also get accused of spam. I think all parties over reacted quite a bit .-.

 

Since I was part of this unpleasant situation that resulted in my unreasonable tempban, I'd like to contribute to this topic.

Different staff members act now differently. If in the past there was an example of staff member's behaviour (aka strict, kind, helpful and etc.), then now we have irritable b****es, who believe they can do anything for showing their ugly body (not accusing anyone) to horny dudes. Server administration should understand that it players don't want to see helpers, who ignore responses and avoid any argumentation of any answers with such excuses like "im sick!!11" or "im tired". If you are so sick and tired, then leave. Server is already full of diseases, we don't need no more.

 

Mod are one of the reasons why I dont play anymore. Support.

 

:^)

I can agree, griefs and scams should work like this, or at least how I would punish for it:

*Player griefs another player*
Me: I ban the player permanently.
Player: Player appeals
Me: I say, if I unban you, will you return the items to the player?
Player: ok
*Player returns items to player*
Me: I temp-ban the player for 1-2 extra days to think about what they've done.

 

Hmm, that doesn't seem too bad actually. What if they are repeat offenders?

 

unfortunately no matter how many threads are made about this nothing is gonna happen and u know it

 

I absouletely agree with you.

"not accusing anyone" f***ing dead, dang.

 

i havent been here long but to me the rules seem about as vague as youtubes new ones

i would suggest a more specific rule and punishment system. because currently, its up to the moderators to decide what they consider what and there are several factors (bias, etc) that can affect what they consider against the rules and how to punish somebody for breaking the rules.

 

They keep rules vague so that if necessary they can go around them and make their case work

 

2nd time repeated offence, I will get them to return the items and keep them banned for more days until they learn not to do it.

 

3rd Time is a doozy, right? Perm ban. lol. p=

 

I don't think you got what I meant


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The thing is, in this suggestion the moderators can change it themselves for the most part.


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What the hell. How is x*y*z* counted as spam? its simply math

 

support.

 

It wasn't that. It was the:
Name:msg
Name:msg
Name:msg
Name:msg
Someone else~

It just looked spammy considering no one was able to say anything between the messages.

 

well, the definition of spam is stupid pointless annoying messages. It might be an annoying message, but it isn't stupid and pointless