Make paypal trading legal for *certain items*

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  1. KingDG
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    This was legal once. :p The economy was a lot different back then--more rares circulated.

    If the issue is with the EULA, then why don't we make it legal for only the items that are purely decorative and don't confer any advantage in survival. That is:

    Items:
    • End Portal Frames -- The end is disabled so there is no practical use for these blocks.
    • Dragon Eggs -- No use.
    • Heads -- No use.
    • Spawners -- With /visit, /warp animal, /visit skyblockgrinder, etc., spawners don't give an advantage.
    • Soap -- This is a pink dye with a name/lore--it's not related to survival.
    • Super Rare Potatoes -- Same as soap.
    • Rare books -- No use.
    • Quartz -- Decorative.
    • Emeralds -- Decorative.
    • Rare spawn eggs -- Useless. Although, an argument could be made to keep blaze/ghast/witch eggs illegal (but there are islands that have these spawners that people can grind off of). If spawn eggs are vetoed altogether, zombie spawn eggs and zombie pigmen spawn eggs should at the very least be made legal because they're completely useless.
    • Silked spawners -- These are valuable only because of a purple lore, a lore which is useless in survival.
    • Glitched blocks -- Useless.
    • Stacked items -- Useless.
    • Warp mob items -- There's no PVP on this server anymore so they're useless. God items are ubiquitous and can be used for grinding.
    • Horse armor -- Decorative.
    • Rotten flesh -- Useless.
     
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    Krissy Stray Kids everywhere all around the world Administrator Discord Administrator Premium Premium

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    No support.
    You are not supposed to profit from in game items on minecraft and that is still going to happen despite how useless items are.

    This will only mean people will start thinking all items are ok and we will have issues because mods cannot do anything about scams if you choose to trade through PayPal and someone and so many other stupid things.
    No. Stop trying to make money off this game.
     
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    your joking, right?
     
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    No. While the server uses items and things to keep running and "profit" players are not supposed to. This will never be agreed to. ALL money you wish to make needs to go back into the server and making a list of "legal" items will only add confusion.
    Mods will have more work to ensure that everyone is trading legally and it is just not a practical suggestion.
    Look at how well having illegal to trade items works. It is years and still some people get confused.
    Best just to not allow it.
     
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    To your accusation at the end:
    I find that very rude.

    Sure, I may have a few rares, but the intention underlying this suggestion isn't to make money (nor is it for any sort of personal gain)--it's to make more rares circulate in the .net "economy." People who find it hard to work up to get certain rares and items can just buy them off players; players who wish to sell items would have another currency to work with. That's that. I joined right before paypal trading became illegal, and let me tell you--a lot more things were circulating in the economy. It was lots of fun. :p

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    To this:
    If Cyp added a villager trade with diamond armor and gear and another villager trade with beacons, then pretty much all rares would be legal. There wouldn't be a need for a list which you say would cause confusion. Even without the list, it's basically everything except for diamonds, beacons, and netherstars, as those are the items that confer obvious advantages. If you're referring to confusion on the part of the staff, the players that the community picks through and supports to become staff members are not unintelligent people. In the time between them joining the server and them becoming moderators, I'm sure that among the many rules from nick abuse to island trading, they can figure one rule which includes a mere three basic items. If you're referring to players, if a player is into trading enough to such a degree that he or she engages in paypal trading, the chances are high that he/she will know the general rules about it as well. That aside, every rule has the opportunity to invite confusion. From chat rules and nick abuse to bucket and lava trade, there will always be that one player who either didn't read the rules, didn't care about them, or just didn't quite understand. But that's normal. The greater majority of players will benefit from and enjoy the legalizing of paypal trades. It would even provide motivation to some players, new and old alike, to stay on the server or to try engaging anew in the economy.

    Mods can't do a lot of things about scams already... What about upgrade trades? What about trades in which items are never found? Go into the help section and you'll find a few threads that have been waiting over a year for some refunds. Cyp's response? You trade at your own risk. That would just apply here too. Think of 2014 and earlier--there were a few scams, but for the most part people enjoyed having paypal trades. People would certainly enjoy them in the future, too. :p

    But 80% of skyblock is focused on just that--making profit. We have a trading section on the forums, and that section is filled with people who are trying to make a profit, to buy and sell items, to get richer. Players trade rares just for fun; trading rares is not related to surviving on the server and thus the reintroduction of paypal trades shouldn't matter.

    Plus, "more profit" isn't the only effect of legalizing them. As I said previously, more items will circulate and more players will become engaged in trading. Lots of things would change, and I personally see this change as something beneficial.

    Of course, not everyone would even engage in paypal trades. Just as finding upgraders these days can be quite a hard task, so too would finding paypal traders be difficult. It's not like anyone and everyone's going to do it. And just to emphasize, the people that do choose the engage in paypal trading will likely know what they're doing.

    And let's take it from Cyp's perspective too. Adding another currency and increasing the circulation of items--that would ultimately lead to more profit for players. With this profit, players who have items can search for upgraders, and players who have made IRL $$ can buy themselves ranks.
     
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    Support :D
     
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    I was not accusing you specifically but to everyone who wishes to sell their rares to profit irl. However it is funny that someone who is wealthy in rares would suggest to have it legal to sell them for irl cash.

    Now the EULA is pretty clear no one is to profit off in game items and it does not matter what the items function is. This should be the first clue as to how this suggestion will end.

    Now we are not talking profit that is within the bounds of the game, this is profit that extends into irl; where you can use the money to buy anything and does not favour the server in the long run. Rank upgrades do, trading for rares with diamonds and rares helps.
    The main objective for some people is to have rares and profit but this cannot extend into real life cash unless the server benefits financially and irl trade does not guarantee this. Cash is a motivation to spend rares but there are legal ways to do that.
    Then say you buy a rare with irl money, then sell it for more irl cash than you got it then people can not just profit in items but irl cash. The server still most likely wont see that money.

    Net is a survival server, not a profit scheme for irl cash.
    I dislike this idea, I hated it when it was legal and I want it to stay illegal and as long as EULA is here it will most likely stay illegal.
     
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    Ah, sorry then, that's how you came across to me >.< I'm glad you find it funny. Yet I do a lot of things for reasons other than making a profit. Take my trading prices thread xD It would be a lot easier to find better deals and make a profit if that didn't exist.

    I see. Well, thank you for your opinion/feedback. :p
     
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    I thought servers were only authorized to sell things such as cosmetic items, not commands like /fly.

    food for thought.
     
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    No support. I remember when it was legal once. I didn't like it. I don't think players should make real money out of a game.
     
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    No support, I agree with Krissy. This just annoys me..
     
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    No support, lots of people can get rares really easily in the game, to sell it for real money, that is just wrong. This is a block game not a game where you make profit off of. Lots of the players go to a job and work really hard to earn money to support themselves, for a 7 year old to get lots of money from a video game is just wrong, this just annoys me.
     
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    I feel like there are going to be many encounters with some "I was scammed" people that are in seek of help. Trades like these are out of the server's control, and nothing can be done about scams and such.

    Trading in-game items for other in-game items is how the economy is set up, which happens to work out pretty fairly and cooperatively in my opinions. That's the fairest way of trading on a minecraft server.
     
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    I support this tbh
     
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    No suppport
     
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    No support, as for reasons stated above.
    If this was the case, it could break the EULA stating:
    make commercial use of anything we've made;
    try to make money from anything we've made

    Taken from the EULA document provided by Mojang, that can be viewed here.
     
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    Krissy is completely right, I no support this. You are not supposed to make money from an online game! Also, what if you got scammed through PayPal? This would be your fault and moderators cannot refund you money, let alone it being your fault. Also, this might stop profit coming into the server as people might try and sell items that are cheaper than shop.skyblock.net . On the other hand, how will we know you are not trading illegal items for $? No support once again.
     
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    This would boost the rare trade but also older players will come in a cash out which may have a negative impact on the economy. Also this is a rule because if you have the money to buy the items crew rather you buy an upgrade.
     
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    You're missing the point, EULA prevents trade of IRL money for ingame rares, blocks, etc. It only allows cosmetic changes to be paid for and several other things.
     
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    This thread can be locked as it violates EULA, therefore it will never be implemented.
    k maybe the server violates it "a bit" too but shhht hey, I'm positi
     

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