Just a rant, sort of...take in everything I say with a grain of salt. Please.

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    Note: I am making this post to get this off my mind and to vent what I'm feeling right now about something that occurred in Skyblock today. Like the title said, take in everything I say with a grain of salt. If you're going to comment anything, please read through the whole thing.

    Warning: I may reply to comments with aggressiveness. I get passionate really easily with these kinds of things, so I apologize in advance.

    Backstory:
    So, I was on Skyblock today (yesterday by the time I'd have written this). Just chilling, the usual. Bouncing around my island, because I never really have anything to do. I was glancing at the chat as I roamed my island when I caught a public message about a drop party. So, I thought that I might as well go do something productive. And so I visited this particular island. It was a completely brand new island owned by a non-donor (greenie, as many people refer to them as). There was also a moderator there along with a higher up donor. I will not name names as I feel like that's unnecessary.

    I was sort of confused as to what was going on since I wasn't sure what kind of drop party it would be since it was a completely new island. It was obvious that I wasn't hallucinating the mention of a drop party, because there were a couple other people there as well (that weren't the higher-up donor or the moderator). I sat there sort of really confused, but I was there for maybe a minute when I caught sight of the chat. Mind you, the chat was going moderately quickly. The higher-up donor told the moderator that was on the island repeatedly to tp me and another person off the island. This confused me even more, so I asked, "Why, I didn't do anything?" in public chat. I was given no response.

    I was then promptly tped to what I know as /warp trade by the moderator. I then asked the moderator why they tped me off the island, as I was sure that I didn't do anything wrong. The moderator replied to me with these words, "You were asked to leave. And you didn't." This had me confused as I did not recall being asked to leave the island in any way. I only remembered the donor requesting that the moderator tp me off of the island.

    The More Rant-y Part:
    Now, I know that some or even most of you will say, "Well, Andi. This is a super minor thing, you're over-reacting! It's not like the moderator banned you or muted you! They just simply tped you off the island!" Yes, I'm aware that it's an extremely minor thing, and maybe I really am over-reacting in your opinion, but what I picked up from the situation was something that is not minor to me.

    I haven't been playing on the server for very long (a month or two), but I knew that the moderator and donor I mentioned above were friends. No doubt about it. I have had experience with that moderator before where I asked questions and had requests (reasonable ones of course), but got slow, if any, responses. I'm not sure if it was because the server was less crowded the day the stuff I talked about above happened, so that the moderator was able to almost immediately tp me off the island at her friend's request, but I felt some favoritism at play there. Which is one of my pet peeves (again, I'm probably over-reacting) and is one of two reasons why I'm writing this.

    Concerning the reason the moderator gave me for tping me off the island, I was not made aware of the fact that I was asked to leave. If the person who had asked me to leave the island did request for me to do so, I did not see it in the chat. Perhaps the person could've private messaged me in the chat. Perhaps they could've typed it in the chat more than once (if they did). From what I could recall, the chat was going moderately quickly, so I may not have caught the request for me to leave. Had I seen it, I would've left. I felt and still feel like tping me off the island was not a necessary action. I wasn't on the island for very long in the first place, a minute at most.

    End Note (please read):
    Many of you are probably ready to go down below and bash me. And I assume that the people that I'm talking about probably know who they are. And I probably included some unecessary details. And I probably didn't portray and talk about my points as well as I could've. And I probably repeated a lot of stuff. And I know that some claims and arguments I made above are probably ridiculous to you guys. I'm admitting that now. I'm probably missing some huge part of the story, but the stuff I wrote above is what I truly believe happened and is what I got from the situation. I truly did try to write this as respectfully as I could and I apologize for the length.

    If you made it this far, thanks for taking your time and reading this ridiculously long post.

    Keep meme-ing on,

    Andi :^)
     
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    I think this Problem has been solved already by writing all this, am I right?

    You request, my dear:

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    I don't think mods should be doing personal favors for anyone. The lengthiness of the post was foresight, because people on the forum (this forum specifically) haven't been the best for responding in an intelligent way, and she simply didn't want to start an unnecessary (and probably mindless) argument. She wanted to have a discussion, and none of the replies so far have even attempted it.

    Nice.
     
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    I didn't ment to be rude or something. I was responding like this simply because there are too much Supposition in the OP to start an acutal discussion:
    • He may or may not have overseen the request for him to leave the Island
    • The mod may or may not have been requested by his supposed friend to TPA her out without Prior warning
    • The request in public chat to the mod to tp him out may or may not have been understood my the donor and the mod as being the actual request for her to leave the Island (like if I'm Standing next to you and tell someone else to ask you to leave). Not the most polite way, but could have still been understood by her as a request to leave. When the tenant asks his doorman to throw me out of his pub, I don't wait for him to do so, I leave.
    • It may or may not have been a personal favour, as anyone may request a mod to TPA someone out of his / her Island if they feel that they won't go otherwise.
    Also, the Story lacks of Background, as she admits herself.

    All these are to me reasons to leave it at it is and just go on with life. It's not a Major issue (again, as she admits), and chances that the truth might come out are paper thin.
     
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    If you saw the person ask the moderator to tp away... they don't want you on the island, so just leave.
    Nothing about this was out of the ordinary or wrong.
     
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    Moderasers doing favors for their friends is an ongoing problem.

    I'll not saying that you are wrong. I agree with you on this topic. However, there are cases where this particular incident could not be what you and I think it is.

    First of all, the island could have been an alt island of the donor who asked the mod to to you away. (However, they still should have asked you before telling a mod to tp you away)

    Or, the island's owner could have been friends with the donor that asked the mod to tp you away. But then again, someone still should have asked you to leave first.

    I think it would be interesting to see the unedited chat log from this situation.
     
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    If it is not their (the donor's) island, why should they be able to get someone kicked off the island?
     
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    Most likely to do with the donor knowing the owner who probably was telling people to leave but it was overlooked. There is no side to what the mod was told at all so you will never know the actual situation.

    But if it is not your island you can be kicked off it and that is just how it is.
     
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    I understand that you got infuriated by what happened. But...

    A.) It really isn't a big deal.
    B.) The person wanted you to leave so respect that.

    I do completely understand you, and the reason behind your post. It is completely fine to vent off a little bit. Hope your rant helped you calm down a bit. :rolleyes:
     
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    What authority does the donor have in this situation to get someone kicked off the island?
     
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    I suggest contacting the moderator who tped you off for the full story :p

    Also, if this mod you're talking about doesn't respond or is slow to respond, they were probably being spammed with messages, doing something where they couldn't access chat, or handling a current situation where they were distracted. I don't think it was favoritism when they helped the person asking you off as the mod was there and was aware at the time.
     
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    I read it the whole and I agreed with somethings as I disagreed with other :p
    #ReadTillTheEndSquad
     
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    Adding to this if chat was going "relatively fast" you may not have seen them asking you to leave.
     
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    No aggression here, but just wondering what more background you want? Thanks.
     
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    Seriously hate when people put these little notes like 'you can hate on me bash me blah blah blah I dont care' and expect nobody to do it since you addressed it.

    Anyway, what I've gathered from this thread is that youre accusing a mod of favoritism because their friend got you tp'd off the island quicker then you recieve help. Okay? #1 If the island owner and the donor want you off the island thats 2 people asking you to leave so the mod might make that a priority. #2 If theyre good friends like you say, they couldve been on ts or skype and the friend brought it up on there #3 The mod was already at the island in the first place so help regarding the island shouldnt take long in the first place #4 The mod was simply less busy at the moment and tpd you off quickly.


    Again just because you addressed it, doesnt mean I wont comment on it; You're exaggerating alot. If you really werent concerned about the tp (and you shouldnt be) but rather the 'favoritism' displayed by the mod, this is a really weak example of favoritism if it even is favoritism. Mods are allowed to have friends and as long as they arent being biased with the rules, I see no problem with them prioritizing their friends.
     
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    She didn't type that expecting that you wouldn't address it, she was trying to avoid starting a mindless argument. She intended to have a civil discussion, and wanted to be particular about that. No need to add how much you "hate" these "little end note things".

    #1 If the island and the donor want you off the island, that's two people asking you to leave so the mod might make that a priority.

    True, but I was there. The first guy was asking over and over again in the chat for the /donor/ to tp the people away from the island. The only point in time at which anything happened is when the donor went to the mod, at which point she got an immediate response. The possibility that the mod was simply busy and every other possibility was already considered and addressed in her original post.

    #2 If they're good friends like you say, they could've been on TS or Skype and the friend brought it up on there.

    This is true. But it literally is just as likely that the mod simply noticed because it was their friend asking for the tp. We don't know, but she got upset because she thought that maybe the mod was playing favorites.

    #3 The mod was already at the island in the first place so help regarding the island shouldnt take long in the first place

    The issue was with what little warning and little reason the mod tped her off the island. Not necessarily with the response speed. It made her angry cause she thought maybe the mod just tped her no questions asked because it was a friend of the mod asking for her to do so, when in the past she got no such immediate response when asking for help from the mod. Regardless of whether or not it's sound, this is the reason that she got upset, and decided to post.

    #4 The mod was simply less busy at the moment and tpd you off quickly.

    Already acknowledged.

    She didn't exaggerate anything. She told everything as is, and your attitude in this post is exactly the kind of attitude that escalates civil debates into all-out mudslinging ego contests. I see every problem personally with them prioritizing their friends. Mods don't have much time or attention to give, and what attention they have should be distributed equally in my opinion. Their job isn't to take care of their friends, it's to moderate. And moderating is a job that should be done objectively.

    All in all, maybe make your next post with a little less of an "I'm better than you" air. These are exactly the kinds of replies she didn't want in this thread.
     
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    It's all in my post. Read it.
     
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    No. It's pointless and added to discourage people from addressing it. Im wasnt speaking on her thread specifically, im talking about the end notes in general. Theyre ineffective.

    You just contradicted yourself.?
    She exaggerated the severity of the issue, in my opinion. I wasnt there so I cant judge whether or not she exaggerated the situation, and I never did. And in what way was I not being civil? Not once did I swear or make anything personal, I was simply expressing my opinion. I dont know where youre gathering that I was being toxic.

    Mods volunteer to help the community, they arent paid or reimbersed in any way. Theyre people like us and theyre allowed to have friends. Naturally people prioritize their friends. As long is the mods remain unbiased and impartial towards the rules, and get around to helping all the players that require assistance, I see no problem with them prioritizing their friends.

    Im sorry that it came off that way but it wasnt my intention. Didnt mean to be toxic or make anything personal. Im not entitled and dont consider myself above anybody, just a normal forum browser.
     
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    Regardless of whether or not it was "pointless" the intention was to ensure people didn't come into to the thread and immediately start flaming. Very often context is hard to infer from text, and thus the rant may have come off the wrong way.

    No, I didn't contradict myself. I said not necessarily, meaning that it wasn't necessarily the primary issue. She still got upset by it. It's a pet peeve of hers anyway, as she stated in the post.

    As for exaggerating the severity of the issue in the post, I don't think so. She clearly stated in the original post that it was a minor issue, and that it's merely something that got on her nerves, albeit still hoping for somewhat of a discussion about the issue implied from the post.

    Mods volunteer their time to the community, but that doesn't give them any excuses that anyone else with a job wouldn't have. It doesn't matter if you're paid or not, when volunteering in real life you are expected to do your job just as much as anyone else who is paid. And moderating is something that is an objective job, you have to moderate the server for everyone, and be there for everyone who needs you at the time to as much an extent as is possible. They're allowed to have friends, but if two people ask for help on their island, and a moderator knows one person better than the other, that should not affect their judgement in any way as much as the severity of the issue.

    Everyone needs the moderators' attention, and if at all possible I believe bias towards friends and accomplices should be minimalized in order to effectively do your job as a mod. Because just as with any volunteer, you are still expected to do your job to the best of your ability. Volunteering doesn't give you an excuse.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I was online, during this situation. As I was kinda, part of it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the moderator was a tmod and is a girl? She was the only mod online, and i was on teamspeak with her. She did tell me that she was spammed with msgs. Also, I'm pretty sure you went through this with her in /msg. I mean the drop party was for Queen and I. It wasn't exactly public, the person did tag us, at the end of the sentence Queen and @Ms. Chicky. Also if you're curious, he dropped 2 grass and 2 stone that went straight in the lava at the spawn point. It was joke between the 4 of us, including the moderator. She wasn't having favorites, we were just playing together, building. Also, the island owner requested for you to leave, but since you didn't see the msg, the moderator had to do it for you. So no offense, but I really don't think this is a big deal.
     
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