OfflineDuty Ban Appeal [Lem/Krissy/Saku]

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    My name: OfflineDuty
    Ban message: Racism/ Disrespect
    Why do you think you have been banned? Causing an argument and breaking the peace on this server.
    Was this ban right: Yes, in order to maintain the atmosphere calm again.
    Have you been banned before: Yes.

    Why do you think you should be unbanned:
    I think the last days have been pretty rough, my favor of having big discussions in public chat have been too huge.

    I would like to clear something up about the "Jew" discussion. Before the argument we were talking about northbanker and the new profile southbanker whom we dont know which ones alt it might be. Skizz said that his alt northbanker and that ign has a long tradition. So I asked him "Are you a jew?" I did not say you are a jew, which would more be an insult.

    I was asking that question because I learned in my history class that antisemitism and hate against jews already emerged in the middle age. They were blamed for bringing diseases and else. Therefore they were not allowed to have normal jobs. So they did the "unhonorable" jobs. One of them was being a banker. Lending money and storing it has been not allowed for christians in Europe at that time, so the jews did it.

    So because Skizz told it has a high history i was interested in knowing his story. Ebhavlin (I am good friends with him now) accused me of meaning that question as a statement and that I was insulting his whole family. I just said it was a historical fact i told and that I did not intend to insult him. THen he insulted me back and said that I am an idiot and that it would be a historical truth... Well and the rest was just crazyness. I said "Insult me via PM" so the public chat is not being spammed with the whole argument, but it was not my fault. Ebhavlin simply continued insulting me. Look at the following report of mine: Ebhavlin insults me | Skyblock Forums

    For the other reports, yes that was really crazy. I was making not suitable jokes, we were hyped up and all posted some weird jokes. I never said anything directly that could be considered sexually. With those jokes "I got a long tv screen inches" and "you know whats long my list of chores" THose are just word by word translated jokes that come from Germany. They are intended to figure out how dirty minded the youth is nowadays and is more a joke to criticize the current young society. These hints need the imagination of the reader to implement a sexual meaning. Those who have no intention of reading a secual meaning out of it will not understand it and simply read it as the context says.

    The gay thing is just taken too far. A skin had an open shirt and 6 lighter skin dots that were hinting to have a sixpack. In order to show that this skin is funny I was simply going to him and said lemme touch it. someone else was saying not to turn it into a gay party or something else, so I was thinking she was being somehow homophobic and answered surprised: "uh yeah" i could have also started another big argument about it but I didnt wanted too.

    There are two jokes I am deeply sorry for: First the one with my new bed and the opening, but I think also here the ceromony could have also meant just to put my new bed under a pressure test like jumping on it like a trampoline "it is really flexible :D". I think that joke was not suitable for the readers. Also the cotton joke is something that should not belong on an english speaking server because Americans feel pretty bad about those jokes at their current situation. In our country we just make those jokes as part of satire to make aware of some serious problems in the USA, but I did not declare that joke good enough so it was wrong to write that.

    I think that I am really not suitable to write in chat. I love playing and I get very far and progressed. But somehow the chat makes me wanna join a discussion and sometimes I get too far with it. I think if I would only have the ability to disable chat I would never write anything and peace on this community is being reestablished. I wanna point out that I am not the only one disturbing peace, but since this is my appeal I wont point at others or post screenshots. But it is true that I take a major responsibility because of my sometimes aggressive personality.

    I could Say I wanna change, and sure I would do it if I get unbanned, but sooner or later some statement provokes me again to start an argument. I don't know if you are willing to handle that. I am really sorry for the big discussions on chat, I am simply a person that wants to have the last word and doesnt want to lose.

    If you are willing to excuse me, and I know I am already on thiiiin ice, I would only want to rejoin the server if I can get a permanent mute. Maybe make it with those 30 day mutes and refresh it each time. Or you just don't accept me anymore and I will be gone. It will be heartbreaking for me but I would understand your decision. Please consider that I have otherwise participated in Economy heavily. I did not break it anyhow and despite those big flaws in communication my offenses of the past have ceased.

    Please don't close it immediately. Read through it all and ask me as many questions as you can. I am willing to respond to each of them
     
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    While this is a detailed piece what I am more interested in is why you cannot just keep your opinion to yourself, especially knowing it disrupts the community?
    Most players can show a form of restraint when it comes to rule following and knowing when is the time to speak and when not to. They don't need mutes, but warnings before they cease. Why are you different?

    If someone provokes you, why can't you let it go?
     
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    Why can't you just keep your opinion to yourself, especially knowing it disrupts the community?
    I have grown up in a country where discussions have emerged as the way to ensure that the right of every single citizen is being heard. I was encouraged since I grew up to tell my opinion, no matter where. Sharing opinions is part of the finding of a solution and compromise. I know that Americans don't really have that anymore due to a really monotone media appearance.

    Most players can show a form of restraint when it comes to rule following and knowing when is the time to speak and when not to. They don't need mutes, but warnings before they cease. Why are you different?
    I feel repressed in my freedom of speech, although it does not exist on the server. Maybe I got this genetically that triggers it, but my brain says I should not let go.

    If someone provokes you, why can't you let it go?
    I only hop on a discussion if I am a 100% sure that someones opinion is wrong or incorrect in the detail. I feel like I gotta win this, I have the mission to set the people on the right path and guide them into the truth and not making those mistakes again. Sometimes it might be just a small detail of a statement that bugs me, if I have enough energy in my fingers I was risking to have an argument.

    I want to point out that an argument always requires at least one other person. Sometimes I feel like people know about my problems and intentionally trigger me to start the argument. That's why I always say "Take it to PM", if the other person doesnt stop mentioning me in public chat, I won't stop either.
     
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    You think its culture but you seem like you know from experience the problems it causes yet you find yourself compelled to do so still.

    It is not to do with America and their views, it is about learning from the past. Knowing what you did wrong, and not doing it again.

    If you feel like you don't have the freedom of speech you desire you might need to find an outlet instead of a server frequented by children and people who have no interest in arguing every single topic raised. These servers are for fun and honestly muting you permanently will probably decrease your ability to have fun so you will need to maybe find a better way to control yourself and show restraint.

    Take this as a learning experience.
    - Pick your battles because most are not worth fighting and winning. You dont win when you argue, it just worsens the atmosphere of those around.
    - Think before you speak. So much could be avoided if you had thought about what you were saying.
    - Realise the age group of the players. Mainly teenagers and kids play, and most of the adult players have children. Are they really interested in a discussion or debate? No. They get annoyed and go to insults because they don't like the conflict.

    Now this of course is not my ban so the rest of the appeal can be directed to Lemonade and SakuraWolf may have something to say.
     
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    After thinking a while about this point, I clearly understand that. The audience is sometimes too young to understand and learn something, it might be not worth wasting my time to talk with them. I should just ignore them.

    Muting me permanently will not really affect my ability of fun. I have external chats and Teamspeak servers to communicate with my trading partners. If there is no permanent mute function I might need to arrange that myself by switching into local chat mode. This could help me because I won't read anything the people write in public chat. Or I will start to /ignore all people that have bugged me in the past.
     
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    I prefer you proving you can solve and understand your own issues and find your own solution over us applying a perm mute, which is possible but a bit extreme.
     
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    You say that it is common in your country to share your views explicitly, which is true. I have seen it occur multiple times and have experienced it as well.

    There is a common saying that states, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Going back to Krissy's point, the last thing children and families want to see on a minecraft server is bickering and being inappropriate. It is simply a matter of assimilating with the culture of the server, which can be hard, but you will have to show that you can. By this, I mean the rules, following them, and not disregarding them. We all agree that a perm mute is the best choice of punishment for you, as it doesn't restrict gameplay but pretty much "hides" chat.
     
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    I think this is nothing I could clearly solve within a few hours. If I would say so, I would not be honest.

    I agree that Perm muting would be the first and best solution for right now. Also I added something on my desk directly above my laptop that should remind me in the future about what I have to consider when chatting with other people. So at some point of time, maybe in a few months we could reconsider if we can change something on the mute.

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    Are there any other questions I can answer for you?
     
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    Krissy and Lem have covered just about all of my views on the matter. Since it seems that a perm mute is the route we are going, Id like to just say that if the mute does get lifted in the future, be very cognoscente of what you are saying and of who your audience is. Other than that, I have nothing else to add.
     
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    So who is initiating the required steps in muting me?
     
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    If youre able to get on right now, Id be able to unban and mute you.
     
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    I am ready.
     
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    Alright. Ill leave this open for the day incase the others would like to add anything else. :p
     
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