Ferguson/Mike Brown vs Darren Wilson [Lots of Language]

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  1. Incomposed
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    We are looking at these cases in law class, I thought these people were randoms ._.
     
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    If anything, it strenghtens in favor of the police officer (if at all, since I barely understand anything they're saying).
    They say he was running towards the officer. They didn't mention anything about him begging or anything.
     
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    Did you know that the people of North Korea think they won the World Cup? Interesting, huh? You know WHY they think that? Because their media told them.

    The news makes assumptions based on their evidence, because there clearly isn't enough evidence to conclude what occurred that day. The eyewitnesses had contradicting reports and the autopsy showed that the man reached for the police officer's gun. I believe that should be enough to at least not start a countrywide riot. Sure, take it to court,do whatever, there's not enough evidence anyways. But to burn down shops and start a nationwide crisis? Not even close. Some of those people are only supporting the kid because he's black. I refer you to what robbie posted on my behalf. They believe that any time a white man fires on a black man, it is ALWAYS racial profiling when in this case, the police officer was actually in danger. If a guy comes up to you and takes your gun, a) you're defenseless, and b) he's armed. He could shoot you at any time and get away with it. You don't seem to understand how serious that is.

    *sigh* But I guess our country has just regressed to believing what the media tells them...
     
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    We still need Police to treat African-Americans better, it's not just this one incident you know.
    It's just this is the incident that broke the last straw.



    I like the unbiasedness of this video:
     
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    I seriously can't believe you think this video is unbiased e.e

    So what I'm getting is that two men waltzed into a Church that wasn't theirs in the middle of a service and started taking photographs...
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    And you tell me that's NOT trespassing??


    Okay, so a woman called the police because she feared for her life, and when the police got there, the man struggled SO VIOLENTLY that they needed to call backup. If he wasn't doing anything wrong, maybe he could have just, you know, spoken civilly?
     
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    I actually just found this relevant photo:
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    If someone asks you to leave private property, and you don't, that is trespassing.

    Still, there is racism, and we want that out of this country's police force.
     
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    They are not protesters, the media needs to stop calling them that.
     
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    iFunny? :p
     
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    WARNING: BIASED AF
     
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    I found it in my Facebook newsfeed posted by one of my friends. I don't know where it came from, but that doesn't negate its truthfulness.
     
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    People will be people, I guess.
    It's sad tho.
     
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    The main argument here is that he was shot in the head and "Oh, that was entirely unnecessary." If you're chasing a man and then he turns around as you're chasing him, you shoot to protect yourself. You're not aiming for the head. As you can see, he hit the guy 4 times in the arm before hitting his face. That means he shot 4 times and the guy didn't stop. At that point, the officer may be fearing for his life, because the first four bullets didn't stop him. At that point, you're not trying to keep him alive; you're trying to keep yourself alive. This man is the aggressor to you.

    Also, some contradicting things were said. The woman said that a chase ensued, but the man speaking said that the cop was standing right next to the car. The woman said he turned around when he was grazed, but it wasn't in the autopsy. He wouldn't be able to feel it if it just went through his clothing, he's running, his clothing is flying everywhere. It'd have to have at least cut his skin, which would be shown in the autopsy had it happened.


    All in all, my initial argument was that the case was not racial profiling. The video doesn't even discuss that until the last minute. A man robs a store and then assaults a cop, so the cop ends up shooting and killing him. In that sentence, it sounds justified. Present it a different way, it might sound unjustified. Regardless, the ethnicity of the men have nothing to do with the case whatsoever.
     
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    inb4 America's government falls
     
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    Just switch the colors of the people. A black person shooting a white person.
    Just have a moment and think about it.
    Would it have become this big?

    I know the answer already,
    do you?


    So far (exlcuding the last videos put up in the chat, because I really didn't bother watching) no 'proof' has been left untouched. It's tilted one way or another.
    I am not the kind of person that absorbs anything that is told like a god damn sponge.
    I dare to say that most rioters are too narrowminded to understand that racism isn't the reason black people happen to die in scenarios like these.

    Most people haven't really put themselves in Wilson's position.
    What would you have done?
    Of course, we don't really know what exactly, in utter detail, was going on and so on.
    If that would happen to you, you being the police officer, would you have done something different when you knew that your life could be on the line?
    You don't.
    You do what you are trained to do.
    You survive.

    I know for a fact that if I was in Wilson's shoes at that time and place, I would definately have shot.
    If I had to repeat it (through magic or some sort, you know, just to play with thoughts) I would have shot again.
    No matter how many times, I would have chosen to fire instead of giving him a chance to steal my weapon.

    How many can actually think through this POV instead of the bystander POV?
     
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    To whomever posted this, I actually live in this city and I know the officer that did this. This was an unbaised call, and as far as the media is concerned, the black man was disrespecting people in the courtyard and in the ceremony was being rude and other things, posing threats to the people.

    That church has a strict "no rudeness" policy, as I've been INSIDE this church, it literally says "Rudeness will result in excessive force being used."
     
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    And if you do not believe me, I am soonly on my way to get a picture with me in it of the church.
     
  19. Akrill
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    Not that I don't believe you, but go ahead.
    I'd like to see it
     
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    So, a car full of black people, right? cops pull them over. they find drugs weapons, and s*** like that. They do so because it WORKS, now you see, if they were to stop, and cops started to pull them over for no reason, then continue on, then guess what? They're gonna stop eventually. People need to face that yes, there is racism, and it's not just gonna stop. Nor will it ever I don't think. I guy is running after you trying to grab your gun. What do you do. Shoot the guy for assault, head, foot doesn't matter, he deserved to be shot. Now a*****es are rioting over nothing, because they feel like it at this point.
     
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