BANNED: CMHammond (Continuing again...) [Kerahna]

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  1. Carl-Michael
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    CONTINUING THE PREVIOUS LOCKED THREAD -_-
    Banned because of illegal trading, yet I was supposed to be unbanned, which I was but then Krissy banned me before I even got on for the same issue.

    Let me make myself clearer. It seems you don't seem to understand what I am saying.
    If you was to rename an item and sell it to someone, telling them it is the item you named it:
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    Redstone named Diamond

    Then you would be wrong, as the item you are selling IS NOT A DIAMOND. But, if you was to sell it as a 'Diamond', then you are saying it is not a Diamond, just something that is renamed as a diamond. I did just this as I had gotten 2 redstone dust named Diamond. I sold these as 'Diamond' not Diamond as that clearly states that they are NOT diamonds. Why would I sell them as 'Diamond's and not Redstone dust? Because I was selling them as a novelty item that someone might want to maybe trick their friends or just keep it for a laugh. I wasn't trying to scam someone with them as that is prohibited on the server.

    So, when I got offered 20 grass, I accepted. Who wouldn't? Considering a diamond is worth 30+ grass blocks, why would I give them 2 diamonds? But like I said I offered 2 'Diamond's which I showed. The person I sold these items to admitted to knowing that it would be a renamed item, but hoped it might be real, but was prepared to give the grass anyway as they had accepted the deal.

    They refused the named redstone when I tried to give to them countless times, but eventually they said they really wanted it to scam people with. I told him I wasn't trying to scam, but I will still give him the items as we agreed. I said "How about I let you choose the name instead, but only the name not the item or quantity" He agreed to this and I saved up 5 XP levels and asked him for just the name. He told me something along the lines of "5 redstone name diamond", I asked again to make sure he actually wasn't asking for 5 redstone dust all named 'Diamond' but he still said the name should be '5 redstones name diamond'.

    Since you said he wanted 5 redstone dust all named 'Diamond', I told him he wouldn't be choosing the item or quantity, just the name. So, I could of given him 28 raw fish named <his name>. He agreed to this anyway, so he knew what he was getting into.

    Also, as you said what I said implies I will still scam, you are wrong. That was never implied, I was just fighting my case. This wasn't a scam, but if it makes you feel any better and helps this case, I won't scam.
     
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    Regardless of whether you think it's a scam, the end result is that you made a very unbalanced trade by taking advantage of another player's misunderstanding. As much as you think your reasoning stands, the bottom line is the other player was tricked into thinking they were getting something more valuable than what you were offering.

    I want a reason to believe that this won't happen again before you will be allowed back on the server. I don't want to hear any excuses or twisting semantics about what is a scam and what is not. Whatever "this" is, it's absolutely unacceptable.
     
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    So, are you agreeing this is not a scam then?
    I also want to mention again, that I didn't know that he was expecting 2 real diamonds, like I said I was selling renamed items. "This" was not me taking advantage of someone's misunderstanding, it was just me selling renamed items unaware that people would think they were the real items. I didn't trick him into thinking this, he thought this on his own accord and was to busy spamming me in caps to read what I had said.
    The first issue like I said was resolved, therefore it was not wrong. The second was quite simply him being greedy.

    He actually asked, when I asked him for a name, for 2 diamonds named 'diamond'. He obviously understood that time when I told him he would just be choosing the name because he changed to 5 redstone named 'diamond'.
    He agreed to choose the name only anyway, I thought first he was asking for 5 redstone named, even though I specifically said just the name would be chosen. So, I asked him again for just the name and said the WHOLE message he sends me next will be the name, he replied the same. Because of this, he had chosen that name and understood it will all be the name. As I keep saying, he was not choosing the quantity of the item or the item itself, he would just be choosing the name! He knew this very well.

    So, this wasn't me tricking him into thinking these things, he just didn't read everything that I said and was only expecting what he wanted. He basically agreed to something he hadn't fully read, countless times. How was I supposed to know he wouldn't be reading what I said fully? I thought he actually did want a name to strange as ' 5 redstones name 'diamond''.

    I gave you a reason, even though I didn't scam, I said I wouldn't. I also won't sell these again.

     
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    And he actually said be wanted these renamed items to "scam other people", which I didn't. But, since we agreed, I would of still given him them if he had asked. He never asked for those, he asked for an item named '5 redstones name 'diamond''.
     
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    Plus, this ban was for illegal trading, which was the island farming case. My ban appeal was accepted.
     
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    I will deal with his ill intentions as a separate case.

    If you really intended for him to fully understand that he was not getting real diamonds, you would have told him "this is redstone and not a real diamond". Simply putting "diamond" in quotation marks indicates in every way that you intended for him to misunderstand and assume he was getting real diamonds.

    I don't really care what you want to call this, I just want to make sure you never do anything like it again before I unban you.
     
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    I said I told him it wasn't diamonds I was giving him, also I said I wouldn't do this on the server again.
     
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    The illegal trading case is unrelated; I was going to ban you but krissy had already banned you for illegal trading so that's what the message showed.

    I just needed to make it clear that we will not see you doing this on the server again. Since you have agreed, then you will be unbanned.
     
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