If you read my post you will notice that I never called them stupid, so I don't know why you are making that assumption. In my post I was critiquing the how there was no detailed guide on how to make a mod app on the .net applications page, and as a direct result of this we have people who just fill out the format as they are told to, and then get negative feedback for not having enough detail. Also, I said that having a guide would help them, as they are new to the forums, and may not yet of seen a good example of a mod app to help them along. So can you please read what I wrote instead of taking it the wrong way and thinking I'm hating on green beans? I would still be greenbean now if it weren't for conadthebrave upgrading me for free, so I still feel I'm a greenbean at heart, and can associate with them. I never once called them "dumb Zoo Gorillas", I made this suggestion was to help them, not to hinder them, so I would appreciate it if people didn't immediately classify me as a greenbean hater.

The reason I wrote that there should be a period of time before they can make a mod app, is not because I was trying to put them down or say that they are too dumb for the job, it's because they just need a little experience with the forums side of moderating. handling reports, and bans and so on. It's not like I'm trying to make moderator a "donors only" thing.

 

My dumb zoo gorilla was a figurative Language, along with the others. I know you never called them that, and that conversation was just a small rant not going towards you. But, remember some people might have been playing in-game for a while, and just learned about forums. Those statements were not towards you. They were more of towards Donors that treat Greenbeans like trash. I do agree they could use some more experience. But that is a bit of their choice. And I agree with the "Still a greenbean at heart." I was upgraded for free. If they can't make a good application, that's their fault. Not forums.

 

I agree with all of that except this part: "If they can't make a good application, that's their fault" It would be simple to put the guide to a good mod app I found at the top of the page, so that all could see it. It would help them make their app better, and it may prevent new players start out by making a mod app, and instead wait until they are more well know and respected members of the community. They deserve a better chance, and shouldn't have to be laughed at because the first thing they did on the forums was to make a bad mod app. It makes them feel unwelcome in the community, and they probably will feel bad about themselves too.

 

They shouldn't have to be guided.
It is common sense to use correct Grammar and Spelling. If they don't know that, that's their fault.
If someone applies. They should be able to type something decent up. Something that'll make them look like a good canditate.
Also, you can't force someone to read something. If it requires reading, people will skip it. If it requires hitting the bottom of the scrolling, people will just do that. There is almost no way around bad applications. It'll happen, and we just will have to deal with it.

 

i dont agree, sorry
if people want to make mod apps, let them go ahead!
xD

 

I don't think it's fair to stop all new players from applying. Many first read the rules and the template, and then post it. It's not nice to immediately categorize new players as making "Sucky" mod applications. Many new players make pretty decent ones, but the few players that come on only to make a mod applications aren't the only new players. Just because you see a few stupid applications (made by a new player) doesn't mean all of the new players submit bad applications.

 

I'm trying to get them to improve the quality of their apps by having a guide to a good mod app posted at the top of the page. If they read it it will show them what they need to do.

It will be their option if they want to read it or not. Its only there to help, and if they can't accept help when it's offered to them then there is nothing much we can do. But people who want to become mod do need to have some advice, and not just a template which, although useful, will not help them to make a good mod app.

I have changed my mind stopping new players from applying. In the guide which I have found it explains that you need to join the community, and this should teach new players not to immidiately make a mod app instead of learning about the forums first. You are right that it is not nice to say that there apps suck, I was probably complaining too much there.

Anyway, all I want now is for the guide to be posted up the top next to the template so that we can help greenbeans to help themselves. They deserve some advice in how to make the mod app, and while the advice is there, it is hard to find. I would also like to say that i am in no way trying to put their apps down, rather I'm trying to draw attention to the fact that they are making these apps without support or help and are suffering the consequences. It was a dumb idea of mine to try and restrict them, but they need more detailed advice about how to make their apps.

 

Hey, you said that "that conversation was just a small rant not going towards you"
but in your last responce you said

"Don't call people stupid right off the bat, they may be young."

also Laura_or_is_it said "You know greenbeans arent stupid, they arent some kind of dumb animal as you describe them,"

She then said

"I hate ppl who call them stupid, like you said everyone was one at the start. I more prefer greenbeens over donors lol at least they respect others reguardless if they are donors or not. What annoys me is how they are seen by donors who have way too much money to throw around, that they only want to be popular."

Inferring that as I apparently called them stupid, she hates me.:depressed I never even said they were idiots or some kind of dumb animal. I don't understand why I received hate just then.

 

What? I honestly thought they stopped archiving inactive mod apps months ago..

 

Me too, I made a discussion called outdated stuff and the mod who replied said the exact same thing.

 

I don't want people to stop... I just want the guide to be placed at the top of the page next to the format.

 

This is about non donors.. They are so many non donors who are nice and kind. The one thing about donors is how most of the $100, $250 and $400 donors think that they are so 'cool' and important where they simply ignore players who think that they are not worth talking to. *If you get what I mean* Just take Kittyz for example, he's a $400 donor but he only talks to people that are his good friends. If you're not his friend he'll simply ignore you even if you need help or just wanting to say hi.
What about Cyp.. I saw AppleGuyPro and Andrew thanking Cyp for promoting them, you can tell that they were so thankful but look at Cyp's answer.. 'ok' Like seriously? That's all you got to say? Just 'ok' I know you're busy and stuff, but what's wrong with a simple 'you're welcome' or 'you deserved it, congrats' Why not that? Does it kill you to actually say no problem?
When Cyp is on the server, and many players say hi, is there a problem in saying 'Hi' back? Just a simple hi. It's not rocket science. When non donors need help or even $10 and $25 donors, do you help? No. You only help $100 donors and up or if they are your friend. Yes you're busy but can't you say, "Sorry I'm busy at the moment, ask another staff member" what's so hard, I seriously can't understand. Just because you're a Global Admin or Co Owner, we're all equal. It doesn't give you a right to choose whether we must pass your 'Should I talk to him' exam.
Even SLG helps everyone. Non donors, $10 donors, nearly everyone. When he's free he'll gladly help. And he doesn't give a simple 'ok' he actually says 'you're welcome' or 'no problem'
Just think about it.

 

He said You're Welcome to me. Lol.
Anyway, Cyp has to deal with many things.
Me and him were screwing around, he knows we're thankful, he wants us to do our jobs. He probably has his screen looking like his computer's going to blow up. You think Moderator's spam is crazy. It's a little... Annoying for us. While I'm sure Admins' computers are gonna blow up. They probably don't see our messages too often, with "Hi (Enter Admin here)" in /msg or Global.

 

Oh sorry it was AppleGuyPro not you. My bad

 

Meh, I guess he justs wants some time away from spam.
Just some peace and silence.

 

Cyp has done so much work for the server, and he's extremely busy. A small response is better than no response.

 

Wait, where has this thread gone?! All I wanted was for new members of the forums to have more understanding about the job they are applying for and how to do it. Now it seems like everyone is complaining about donors, and saying that they are not being helpful. They are also accusing me of calling non-donors idiots when I said nothing like that! Can we please try to get back on topic?

 

Actually you said that all of the new player's mod apps suck. So idk if that's helping much telling them not to make a app.

 

I wanted them to spend more time on the forums, so that they can get a better understanding of what they are needed to do. Also I have been trying to get a guide posted on the applications page which should help people improve their apps, so no, I have not only been saying that new players apps suck. In fact I only said that once while I have said multiple times that a guide needs to be posted on apps page. Just try to stop focussing on the negative ok?

 

I was just pointing out that you just trash-talked new players and then said we should stop allowing them to make apps.
Not being negative ^-^