GoFundMe and Change.org Petition

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    I can't do much but I hope others comment like me and show you have alot of players backs to tackle the corporate giant, you may be against the odds but you can always tip it in your favour... good luck!
     
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    Signed and sent a little bit of Houzocoin through < 3
     
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    Signed the petition :heart:
     
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    signed, let's get this done guys!
     
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    Got it signed for you my friend. I 100% believe your fight is a fight for many small creators of UGC across many different games. You're going amazing and I can't wait to see the results of this litigation.
     
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    I've had the chance today to donate towards the gofundme, congrats on reaching 1k+ donations so far:heartface::heart: Noobcrew, you've got this ✨️
     
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    petition signed. This is the right thing to do. Take advantage of the views coming in from YouTube Noobcrew
     
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    Microsoft absolutely is in the wrong for what they are doing to the name "Skyblock". It is a prime example of corporate greed, and you should fight it as much as you can. However, shame on you for asking your playerbase to donate money. You own a server/business that is already making money from purchases such as gamble crate keys. There are many suggestions for things like /kit iron to come back or a skytitan equivalent rank on economy, both of which would make revenue for sure. I understand that not all of the sales from the store go to you, and a good amount of those purchases are from gift cards that are given out for free.

    I might be alone on this, but it just seems like a spit in the face to me and other players who play the server and have been begging you to fix bugs or add things that need to be added. Rather than adding these things that will surely make you more money and also help grow the server, you take the lazy way out and create a way to beg strangers for money.

    Shame on you for using your platform this way. This sickens me and makes me feel sad for all the players of the server.
     
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    I wouldn't phrase him exactly as begging, but I share your feelings on taking the lazy way out. I'm still hoping for a change around here, and your comment made me really happy knowing that this discontent is still going on and not being masked by this lawsuit.
     
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    As a person with the privilege of knowledge I cannot fault players for not understanding what is going on in the background. The are many systems right now that we will ultimately need to improve to make the biggest improvements. Players are more than patient and that is appreciated.

    What I can fault is the idea that Crew has asked his players to donate and has taken a lazy way out.
    Crew has been going through this battle a while now and has not once asked the player base to donate. The financial burden of legal fees would be immense with the amount of fighting the needs to happen.
    Crew is just one guy dealing with companies with vastly more financial resources and it would take massive improvements over years to even hope to make enough profit and by then it might be too late and we would be stripped of our server's identity and his own creation.

    Crew explicitly mentions no one is obligated to donate and that with or without the player base's financial support he will be fighting.
    So no, asking for our help is not taking the lazy way out. He's not begging the community, he's not begging for money. All he has done is share a huge issue that he's been fighting alone for years and made a gofundme (that he was asked to make by players wanting to help).

    Shame on anyone who thinks that is taking the "easy way out".
     
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    Crew, maybe you should extend the 50% sale for a while longer while new players flow in thanks to the youtube vids, and gain more revenue out of it?
     
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    Some of these things are absolutely correct and I couldn't agree more. The legal fees of taking on Microsoft + many other companies are no small number, and this would put a financial burden on anyone. Also, setting the precedent for these situations is incredibly important, and I am rooting for Noobcrew to win. Microsoft needs to be put in its place and the only way to do that is through the legal process. The outcome of this case will set the precedent for all creative cases in the future that players have with Minecraft and Microsoft.

    However, what really makes me sad and angry at the same time is what you said in your first point, that players have 0 clue what is going on in the background. I have never played and enjoyed a Minecraft server as much as I have this one, as no other server has the community of this one. Hypixle's skyblock is a grinding hell with way too many players, and it is difficult to recreate the same sense of community that this server has. This server's community is special, and I know I am not the only one that thinks that. What is sad to see is many of the same undeniable problems that existed when I became active again in Feb 2023 are still here, despite my and many other players attempts to make these problems known. There are countless posts on this forum asking for problems to be fixed or at least addressed by Crew, as he is the only one that can actually do something about most of them. It is common knowledge that many of these posts are straight up ignored by Crew, at least from the perspective of the players who are left in the dark, even when some of the staff are giving their input. Not only are there numerous requests to fix bugs, but so many are features that have overwhelming support from everyone, such as a new rank on economy, which would surely bring in revenue. As someone who has spent hundreds on this server, I would be more than happy to purchase some of these new features that are so sought after by players, and I can't be the only one that thinks that.

    Calling Noobcrew lazy or saying he is begging for money were not the best way to phrase my frustrations. As I have put so much time into a server I love, watching these problems persist for so long with very little response from Crew has started to take its toll, and then seeing a post with a link to a gofundme felt like a spit in the face. There are so many known problems and so many other possible ways for the server to make more revenue, and all we got was a gofundme link. I would be more sympathetic if there were other ways to show support rather than flat out donations, and that is what really irks me the most.

    Crew is not lazy or begging for money, but a gofundme link is absolutely one of the easier paths to take. I want to grow the server while saving it, not just donate money and hope that the many problems are at least addressed by Crew himself. We need a solution for problems, not a martyr.
     
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    I’d like to share my thoughts on this matter. I do not believe Krissy was attempting to suggest that the community has no understanding of occurrences behind the scenes of Skyblock. It seems Krissy has just pointed out there are certain aspects that both the majority of players and staff members may not be entirely informed about - that is not to imply a complete lack of awareness.

    One can only imagine the immense stress and weight that Noocrew is currently facing. It’s a massive burden for any one person to have dealt with for as long as he has. Massive acknowledgment of effort for fighting for not only Skyblock, but us, as its community.

    This GoFundMe was created by request; various comments on various youtube videos requesting to help fund the legalities, multiple forums comments, personal message Crew himself, etc. Skyblock has been around, and beloved for many years, and there is definitely room for improvement. Particular bugs/suggestions are not ignored, they are seen, this I can promise you. Whilst I can understand and sympathise with the frustrations that many bugs/suggestions are overlooked, I can assure you they are aware to Crew, it’s just not an easy task to manage with the current implications. Yes, there may be other methods to fund this process, and that may still be utilised, but this, and the petition, was the majority method people had requested.

    Collectively, the server has shown a remarkable level of patience. This I applaud the community on. We’d all like to see these improvements, I promise you that much.

    I don’t intend to criticise anyone’s personal opinions on the legal battle. But I do not believe the approach Crew has taken is unreasonable. Simply, I want to express my own beliefs, interpretations, and experiences, hence, I can only request further patience and understanding.

    Skyblock will succeed together.
     
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    These are valid points and I can say that I agree. I just heard on the news that Microsoft has the third biggest market value of any corporation in America, possibly the world. Microsoft has proven itself to be a greedy corporate abomination, and going up against it in legal battle is a daunting task. Doing this alone is a huge burden, even for any medium sized company.

    There is not a complete lack of awareness of what is going on behind the scenes of Skyblock, but there certainly are huge gaps that must be filled through secretive conversation rather than official posts from Crew himself. I had no idea what happened to Dexuby or the recreation of Mob Arena, as the forum threads for both were deleted. When I made a new post asking, I didn't get an official response. Why do we have to go through things like this? Why did we get all the hype for Mob Arena, and instead of Crew telling us it wasn't coming back, the thread was deleted? Mods join and leave the staff team frequently; I can understand that. Why must this information be passed around through gossip, instead of official announcements? Some people, like myself, were hyped for mob arena's return. Why did I have to ask around until someone was able to give me the "he said she said" gossip about it? This is what I mean by players being left in the dark with 0 clue of what happened.

    While my contribution won't be through gofundme, I can see why others would contribute that way. There are many people that watched the different Youtube videos about the situation that don't play the server, but still want to help. This I can see as a good reason for creating it. However, what about those of us that actually play the server?

    While it is absolutely true that some of these bug fixes/suggestions are nearly impossible to fix, like the low TPS that the server experiences, I disagree that some of these suggestions are not an easy task to manage. Some suggestions could be completed within a day and generate thousands in revenue. The one that first comes to mind is the reintroduction of the Overlord rank on economy. Barring the fact that I have no idea if there is any drama around overlord like there was drama around D400 and CypriotMerks(I think that's their name), Overlord would be very easy to implement. As a CS major, I am still learning and not an expert, but what I've learned about coding is that adding a new "iteration" of a feature that already exists is rather simple. The framework for the rank system already exists, to create Overlord it would be as simple as using Highroller as a template, and changing a few numbers and strings. I am unaware of the process of adding a new item on the Tebex store, but I can't imagine it would be impossible or even that difficult to do at a time like this. As someone who owns a couple Highroller accounts, I think I could say that this would certainly get a few purchases.

    The way I see it, there are 4 main ways to generate money to cover legal fees in addition to the revenue from the server in its current state:
    1. Loans - While I have never had to go through the legal process against a corporation, I can't imagine this is the best solution. Interest rates are not great right now, and it might be difficult to find someone to grant a loan for this purpose.
    2. New paid server features - New ranks like Overlord would certainly generate revenue and be relatively possible to implement, but it might not be enough money.
    3. GoFundMe - The current way revenue is being generated. Out of these 4 options, I see this as the easiest/least effort required out of all of them. This is why I said Crew is taking the "easy way out".
    4. New Features and GoFundMe - The best option in my opinion. This would leave those that watch the Youtube video an option to support the cause, and also those that play the server would have a way to grow the community while also supporting the fight against Microsoft. The fact that this option was not first implemented is why I am so disappointed and frustrated with Crew.

    I certainly haven't shown a great level of patience since I started playing the server, but those around me, staff and players alike, have been incredibly patient with Crew waiting for bug fixes and suggestions to be looked at or even implemented. The staff team has been great with responding to the suggestions I've seen, however in reality the responses are always "I've forwarded this to Crew" and that seems to be the end of it.

    I am tired of no responses from Noobcrew himself on many suggestions, and I am tired of being patient. I want to help Noobcrew beat Microsoft in the legal battle, but I won't do it through only donations when there are so many possible ways to generate revenue through long requested features for the server. The goal shouldn't be to beat Microsoft while the server rots, the goal should be improving the server and setting a precedent for what happens to Microsoft when they get too greedy at the same time.

    I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the current situation. Thank you Krissy and Pancake for sharing. The legal precedent must be set, but there are problems on the server that should have been addressed a long time ago.

    Skyblock will succeed together, but we can't let the Skyblock server be forgotten.
     
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    To me, this reads as if you're expecting the gofundme to act like a kick-start, where you donate for a reward. The reward here, will be when crew wins, takes ownership over his own creation, which would then allow more creative freedoms such as new economy ranks.

    Whilst yes introducing a new eco rank would be cool, think of the amount of work behind it, and then think about how many players buying that rank, would simply use free giftcards to do so.

    In this scenario, introducing a new eco rank probably wouldn't work the best as a fundraiser for crew. Especially when he's already giving out monthly giftcards for free.

    And I totally see how crew making a gofundme comes across as begging. When there are still other alternatives. But do have a think about how much pressure crews been under. If he looses this court battle, he could lose all rights to own the Skyblock Trademark. The gofundme wasn't an easy decision for him to make.

    In the past, I've been faced with abuse and homelessness and I've resulted in starting a gofundme to help with removing costs. I removed it because I was ashamed of my situation, but there were people willing to help, and a few of my friends did. To which I'll always be grateful for. So for crew to ask, not tell, his commu itt if they could support if willing to, there's absolutely Nothing wrong with that. He's made it clear you won't have to donate and made it clear what will be happening with sed funds. Maybe once the court battles been worn, crew could have a special reward for those that did help, as his way to show appreciation, but whilst that would be nice, I wouldn't be expecting that either.

    I would agree with this. Having new eco ranks along side the fundraiser sounds the best method for rasing funds from players, but then it's back to players using free giftcards, resulting in a short term loss. And overall reachability, gofundme advertises funders on its own site amongst cookie adverts of those that visited. So to advertise a fundraiser on gofundme, crew is likely to reach a far wider audience who could also join the server, instead of focusing all the efforts on us as the current players.

    Those are my thoughts on this.
     
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    Seems like a great time to introduce Overlord to eco, I’m sure many players are willing to spend to both upgrade and donate while receiving a nice boost in the game.

    Even if, like, 30 high rollers upgrade, that would give you thousands of dollars. I’m sure I’m just pointing out the obvious, but with the new players and traffic flow, there’s never been a better time!
     
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    I agree with this mostly, except for the fact that it would be a loss in any way, or the difficulty in making this new rank. There would be some people using gift cards to buy Overlord, absolutely. This doesn't necessarily translate into a loss, it just means that money is not being earned. The Overlord rank isn't a physical product, there is no manufacturing process except for the original creation of it. And although there will be people that pay with gift cards, there will surely be those who don't.

    I think that creating a gofundme was only half of a good solution. I agree that it is a great way for those who don't play the server to contribute. I believe it was the less effort part of the solution to make, which is why I was so frustrated when I see so many player and staff suggestions without any response from crew, leading them to go nowhere. There are so many other ways to generate revenue then having just a gofundme, and having that take first priority over many simple to add features is disheartening to see.

    Thank you for your thoughts, I like to see everyone's perspective and what they think about this situation. I really do want Crew to win this legal battle but I don't want the server to be left behind as it happens.
     
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    girl i don't think the legal battle is gonna change that he can still do that rn nothing stopping him ;-;
     
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