That maybe the case but still not PG. Sad as people might find it, if Noobcrew want's to claim his server is PG and suitable for young kids, the phrase WTF has to go. And this really isn't just Drogo's opinion, it's fact.
So in terms of content regarding PG classifications, I think it's best to consult sites such as the BBFC (film and TV classification board i.e. people who rate movies and TV shows) because Movies and TV shows are what kids are seeing and absorbing, so these trusted classifications detail explicitly the content that can be included in U, PG, 12A, 12, 15, and 18 ratings. If you'd let your child see a PG movie this is what they may possibly hear, so its fair to see the equivalent on websites, games etc. Again, before you come at me and/or delete this post, this is just to try and add sources, not just hearsay and opinions. Also as we can all agree, it's all about the context and frequency. With that in mind, these are some parameters that a PG film or TV show might include; Seeing this list, might make you consider some words we are already censored for even though these are PG classified words within the correct context ofcourse. In terms of WTF; WTF may be included in PG classifications but its dependent on frequency, context and intent. It's also worth mentioning that they classify an acronym as if you say the words themselves. Say what you will about the server and how it classifies itself, these terms may and will be seen in the PG world for children 8+ and minecraft is rated 10+ so PG is the expectation. I also understand the context of this thread is including details of a warning for another word, its not my place to comment on that.
As someone who had a long list of punishments in the past years ago, I have to agree of what Drogo and his thread said, it's a very famous word on the internet people use with and it can be even said in-game front of a public audience and coming from Marcawn myself is that I keep myself strongly PG rated as possible because this is a video game and a public server that is involving young players we are talking about and I am a part of a group trying to make it a safe place and continue for it's future. This applies the same thing to chat's political content especially conspiracies and false information and mentioning permanently banned/forbidden players.
Why would that be then Cyk? If you wish to discuss something that another moderator has already sorted, something that has already been accepted and not argued, feel free to message Drogo.
Drogo isn’t calling for anything as this is not a suggestion. It’s merely a discussion on the contradiction of the permitted use of the F word and a claim to be PG.
Well, if we follow your premise of changing rules such that WTF is not allowed, anything said worse than that will be completely intolerable. The way I see it, the punishment will have to be scaled against these stricter guidelines. The infractions would escalate to a very severe degree. So whatever is thought of as a warning now would be newly judged as deserving an immediate mute or ban. I do not think this would be the best policy to enact. I would like to see people have a good time without being micromanaged under draconian rule. I think this would be an overreaction to current circumstances. I do not think there is a crisis of chat infringements on the SkyBlock platforms to merit this kind of approach.
The word Drogo used, and it was not used in a sexual context as you claimed, is not worse than the F word. It is a perfectly natural word that kids are introduced to at an early age. With regards to the PG rating, we don’t get to say “I think this is” or “ I think that” we don’t get to have an opinion on whether something is PG or not. It’s defined by government agencies. Take a parent that might say “I think it’s ok for my son to drink as he’s nearly legal age”. This is fine, but they can’t say they think it’s legal. We don’t get to define legal, we don’t get to define PG. Drogo is not suggestion draconian rule as you say, only that the rule that the server claims to be governed by already is not being adhered to.
I repeat to you that it was not just the word that was out of line. It is the entire sentence you wrote. If you would like to take this further, feel free to create a forums conversation or report.
And I will repeat, this was already dealt with by another moderator, accepted, and moved on from. I agree a conversation would be the place to discuss it but it’s a dead topic with nothing to more to say. It’s certainly off topic in this thread but I didn’t breath life back into it and bring the discussion here.
back on classic yeah when I first saw this thread I agreed with you on how the male genitalia isn't offensive or vulgar, however I don't agree with your first statement with how 5 year olds are learning the word. If that was the case then I would expect to see some level of intervention between the parent and child as well as the concern being brought up to policymakers. Second, I normally don't agree on cyk (at times with krissy) but they do have a point. In the past what was defined PG was highly censored however times have changed, technology has improved, more younger kids are online and it is to the point where some places will start stepping out of their comfort zone to include few vulgar words (heavily censored of course). Context matters in every situation, and every situation is different. Admittedly I am one of the players who tends to bring some vulgar and somewhat adult references but I am very aware on the boundaries of that and who I direct it to. If its something towards strangers who I know (based on initial conversations or movements) are young I refrain as much as possible. If its towards friends or mods (yes I do that) then I can push the boundaries on that but even then I try to not step too far where it does get very serious.
Drogo is pretty sure that any boy that has mastered a keyboard and mouse and is playing this game, knows what that thing between his legs is called. But Drogo made it clear that is not the topic of discussion. I realise Cyk went off topic and in some way derailed this thread by bringing up a dead and dealt with issue which is disappointment but lets try and get back on topic. Yes, you are right in saying times have changed and PG ratings have changed to some degree with them. But the bottom line is that PG is not defined by us or what we think is acceptable. Maybe Drogo can make this whole thing a bit simpler so people realise their opinions don't play a part here. If the phrase 'WTF' is not considered 'PG' by the government agencies that define the rating, then the server is not 'PG'. It should: Drop the claim that it is PG. Censor the phrase WTF and its variants Continue to delude it's self on the topic.
or maybe we should have it listed as PG-13. the filter shouldn't be censoring abbreviations and some words. I would like to keep wtf, wth stfu, lmfao, lmao and a**
Perhaps, but then it just needs one under 13 who has purchased a rank to say "Hey! mum wont let me play any more. you changed the rating. I want my money back. Seriously, What The Smurf!!! Perhaps they could add a setting in game so that players can set their rating level or age, forum accounts already have date of birth information, and then these phrases are muted based on the individuals age. Drogo doesn't know if the claim of PG could still be made but doing something like this might fulfill the servers duty of care to some degree.
Krissy. Drogo made some edits to his reply to your comment. Drogo is unsure if you get alerts to edits, but as Drogo is quoting you and commenting on those quotes, it's only fair you are alerted to them.
Understand that Drogo does consider this a serious issue and he finds it quite disappointing that of the two moderators to comment on this thread, one has been off topic and not commenting on the actual issue raised and the other has more or less dismissed it. What ever happens in regard to this, it has little effect on Drogo. However, buy rating this server and forum as 'PG', Noobcrew takes on a legal duty of care to the kids that use this forum and play this server.
Honestly I can already tell that the warning wasn't solely because of the word used, but probably the context it was used in. Making a sexual joke and saying 'wtf' are not at all the same. It's a bit concerning that adults are making these types of jokes knowing that there are actual children involved in this community. 'Wtf' is an abbreviation, and the 'f' part of it is censored on all platforms (aside from Discord) if I'm not mistaken. 'Wtf' isn't used in a sexual or inappropriate manner either, it is used to express shock, annoyance or frustration. It seems like you started this thread to bring on one topic, and have suddenly changed it to a completely different one. I personally think it's common sense to know what is okay to say and what's not okay to say on this server. I don't think anything legal needs to be put into this. Just follow the rules and you'll be good. I don't think the staff are wrong in this situation at all. I also don't think that anything needs to be changed. It's not difficult to figure out what is right and what is wrong, especially for those who have been on this server for years.
