Denied [brain__tumor] Griefing [GeooBerry][Denied]

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    Ban Appeal:
    1. Your banned account name: brain__tumor
    2. Server you were banned on: Economy
    3. Ban message/reason: Griefing
    4. Have you read the rules? Yes
    5. Do you think this ban was incorrect? Yes
    6. Please list any other times you have been banned on any of our platforms: None
    7. Why would you like to be unbanned? No, I just want to understand the reasoning behind this ban.
    8. If you know, tag the member of staff that banned you: Agentyy
    9. Do you understand and accept our rules and code of conduct? Yes

    Hi,

    I just found out that I got banned from /economy for griefing. I take full responsibilities of my actions, but am just curious to why I should get punished for this. The player I took from had trusted me, and he knew this, so why should I be banned for taking things from him? I was never told specifically what items I can take, and what items I shouldn't take. There is a risk to trusting anyone, so if anything, shouldn't the player who trusted me get a warning instead? If it is bannable to take items from an island that you're trusted on, couldn't I just trust everyone on the server, have a few valuable items on my island, and get everyone banned? I just want to understand the reasoning behind this ban, and what the point of /trust is if you can't use it.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my appeal and I hope you take this into consideration.

    Best,
    brain
     
    brain, Jun 15, 2020
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    Tagging the staff member handling the appeal GeooBerry.
     
    Agent, Jun 15, 2020
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    Thank you Agent for letting me know.

    Hi Brain thank you for taking the time to appeal.
    Firstly, please do not try and deflect any of the blame away from yourself because it will not get your appeal anywhere, your attitude towards the appeal is not appreciated, it will most likely end in it being denied as you are just trying to push it off on somebody else. Take the responsibility that you were the one that griefed. The quicker you accept it the quicker we can move on from this mistake.

    Exactly, the player gave you no permission to take any of their belongings, which is exactly what looting is. Just because somebody lets you in their house doesn't mean you can take everything in there.


    The following rules were broken and I'd like you to really familiarise them (along with the others) so this does not happen again in the future.

    Looting
    Looting is the act of taking items on another player's island with the intent of keeping them for your own personal use. Players will be punished for looting according to the intensity of the loot as determined by server logs. It is highly recommended to be cautious with the players you trust or co-op with.

    Griefing
    Griefing is the act of destroying blocks on another player's island with the intent of causing damage or destruction. Players will be punished for griefing according to the intensity of the grief as determined by server logs and visual damage. Griefing is typically done physically [manually destroying one's island], technically [creating Redstone contraptions to destroy blocks], or with the use of illegal hacks [read our list of legal and illegal hacks here].

    We also found some of the items on your alt account showing that you were aware of what you were doing and thought that by trying to hiding it we wouldn't notice. You knew fully what you were doing, knew the consequences, and yet continued to loot/grief the player.

    Why would you break the rules that you were fully aware could get you in trouble?
     
    Geo, Jun 16, 2020
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    Hi GeooBerry,

    Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, I'm just very vexed and confused about this situation.

    Firstly, I would like to address these quotes:
    I'm not sure if you fully read my initial post, but I stated that I only wanted to understand the reasoning behind this punishment, and wouldn't mind staying banned.
    As I've stated before, I take full responsibility for my action but don't understand how they would result in a punishment. From the two rules you have provided, I now understand how I have broken some parts of them, but it has led me to a few points that I explain more in-depth down below.

    As stated by yourself and the server rules, people should be highly cautious with the players you trust, so why was I punished for someone else's mistake? I don't believe my actions should result in a ban, but at most, a warning.

    Secondly, I noticed that you stated this:
    Don't try and assume anything going on in my life if you don't have any proof. I did not do this to try and hide the items so that you guys wouldn't notice. The account was my brother's and I was helping him with his island. I understand how you could've come across this idea, but this was not the case, and I don't know why you would falsely accuse me of committing something I didn't do.

    Lastly, as I mentioned in my initial post, I am still curious and would still like to know.
    Thank you again for taking the time to read this.

    Best,
    brain
     
    brain, Jun 17, 2020
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    I'm pretty sure you are missing my point, my point was that you were banned for stealing from a player. A player that trusted you for obvious other reasons yet you still decided to steal items from him. You are guilty of this and the items were used for your own gain- Say you had a beacon placed, and you trusted someone to help you build a house.
    They have permission to build a house so they wouldn’t be punished for this. But if they took the beacon, then yes they would get banned, because they stole it without your permission. Unless he actually told you specifically that you were able to take items then there would be no problem.
    No, it wouldn’t get half of the server banned because most of our experienced players have read the rules and know not to take items without people’s permission. This is also common decency.
    Please try and understand that overall this player trusted you for reasons other than to go ahead and take items from them. I find it extremely rude that you think you are not to blame, there is nobody
    else to blame as you were the one caught stealing.
     
    Geo, Jun 17, 2020
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    As your ban time has expired I will go ahead and deny this appeal. I hope to not see you in this section again.

    Happy skyblocking! :)
     
    Geo, Jun 22, 2020
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