Political Debate Thread

Hey Gang, in the midst of the political climate we are currently experiencing not only in the USA, but all around the world, I've decided that there should be a safe, uncensored platform for members to discuss their feelings and opinions. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with anybody's opinion, always have respect for them. NO AD HOMINEM Remarks!

Ill Try to come up with a new topic about once a week.

With That being said, Let The debating begin!
This Week's Topic:
Pro Gun Vs. Gun Control

 

Personally, I'm Pro Gun, But id like to hear other opinions As well, What are YOUR Thoughts?

 

Pro Gun, although. I don't think we're allowed to post political threads?

 

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Also I support the 2nd amendment but only for Hand guns and shotguns. I do believe we need better gun control and ban on automatic assault weapons.

 

I hope that we are, because it would be very oppressive if we couldn't.

 

When you say "automatic assault weapons", what do you have in mind? automatic weapons are illegal without a special hard to obtain license, and in 1986, a ban was put on the broad spectrum of "Assault weapons". Also, You say that you are okay with handguns, but with just an extended magazine, they can have an equal or better effect than an AR-15 chambered in .223 caliber. Handguns are Semi-Automatic, just the same as Ar-15's, Mini 14's, and many Shotguns.

 

I should've stressed my point further so I will do it now. I do not allow assault weapons and strongly believe they should be banned. I also do support the ban on devices, such as higher magazines, suppressors, or anything that will make the weapon more deadlier. As much as I support the 2nd amendment, I would not be comfortable owning thousands and thousands of ammunition as well as 100s of automatic rifles, or semi-automatic or both just for the sake of protecting your family. Do you really need 50 shotguns and 1000s of ammunition just to protect 4 people? You just need a small semi-automatic gun with 15-20 bullets.

 

Where did anybody say that 50 or hundreds of guns were necessary? also, as i said, assault weapons have been Banned since 1986. You can do the same with a shotgun or pistol as you can with a rifle. However many guns and however much ammunition somebody owns is nobody's business but their own. It is a lot cheaper to buy in bulk anyways. also, automatic rifles are illegal without a special hard to obtain license as i previously stated...

 

I should've stressed my point further so I will do it now. I do not allow assault weapons and strongly believe they should be banned. I also do support the ban on devices, such as higher magazines, suppressors, or anything that will make the weapon more deadlier. As much as I support the 2nd amendment, I would not be comfortable owning thousands and thousands of ammunition as well as 100s of automatic rifles, or semi-automatic or both just for the sake of protecting your family. Do you really need 50 shotguns and 1000s of ammunition just to protect 4 people? You just need a small semi-automatic gun with 15-20 bullets.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me there sir "AR" doesn't stand for "assault rifle" it stands for Armalite Rifle that's the correct term for the gun and you saying "automatic guns" just shows that you are a total liberal and you're just listening to the media and also you said "I support having hand guns and shotguns" But yet you're saying "why do you need 50 shotguns and 1000s of ammunition" And did you know that a AR is semi auto also?

 

I also do support the ban on devices, such as higher magazines, suppressors, or anything that will make the weapon more deadlier.

Also this, Suppressors don't make guns more deadly just silent. Well, to a extent you will still hear the bullet crack just not the mussel sound (the main sound you hear) you'll still hear it from about 500 yards.

 

Silencers Don't do what they do in the movies, they just reduce the supersonic report of the shot, so that a person doesn't need hearing protection to shoot. it is still loud as hell, and would not give any tactical advantage. Extended magazines are not necessary either, because if someone is experienced enough, they can make a factory Magazine Function just as well as an Extendo. I believe that we shouldn't be putting all of these restrictions on guns, because it wouldn't make a difference in the first place.

 

I was saying 50 to exaggerate the amount of weapons people would own. "A special hard to obtain license" yea in which some shooters were able to get their hands on.

Also they're not banned they're restricted bro. You can buy them but it would cost you a pretty penny to get one and that too the regulations are tough, so yes a special hard to obtain license ad what you would call it.

Like I get what you mean. My point is straight forward: Ban devices that make a semi automatic rifle to an automatic rifle. I dont care if it's semi automatic or fully. No high capacity magazines. I am fine with handguns and shotguns, as since they have a much lower capacity.

First chill tf out man. AR can mean a lot of different things not just "ArmaLite Rifle.
Second, thats not what I call automatic guns, machine guns are what I consider.

Third, you accusing me of a total liberal and you just listening to the media pretty much proves yourself you are ignorant and can't handle my calm responses. I haven't lashed at you or called you names man


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Anyway, can a mod lock this thread please? Its going to be a hate thread I can tell

 

"A special hard to obtain license" yea in which some shooters were able to get their hands on.

There has never been a fully auto shooting...

Since May 1986 all Machine guns manufactured are no longer available for civilian purchase. Military and law enforcement only!! A gun that costs $1000 the military or police will cost a civilian $16,000 today and you'd have to be a former military/officer.

And no, AR cant mean other things it means ArmaLite Rifle.

And calling you a liberal isn't calling you a name well unless you take offence to that I personally would because I'm a republican and I do not agree to the liberal views.

Anyway, can a mod lock this thread please? Its going to be a hate thread I can tell
It's not going to be hate its going to be a debate if you can't handle words then get off this thread like seriously its works CMON

Also they're not banned they're restricted bro

Semiautomatic weapons, by contrast, fire a single bullet per trigger pull. ... Under federal law, fully automatic weapons are technically legal only if made before 1986, when Congress passed the Firearm Owners' Protection Act. So it's now illegal to manufacture new automatic weapons for civilian use.

So, you'd have to be in the military which the guns are REALLY hard to get even if you are in the military

Ban devices that make a semi automatic rifle to an automatic rifle.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard like cmon there's no such thing..

Banning AR's will do nothing meths illegal its still out there guess what PEOPLE STILL HAVE IT WHOOAAAAAAA you ban AR's people will still have them.

 

One thing our founding fathers lacked was hindsight. They couldn't have possibly known that automatic weapons were going to be invented, because at the time, their weapons were single shot, and often took minutes to load (trust me, I've tried loading a musket before, took me a solid 5 minutes). The fact of the matter is, their context was that in the event that the US government would be over oppressive to its people, the fact that they had arms meant they would be able to form their own militias and therefore defend themselves from an overbearing and unjust government. They could've never predicted that almost 250 years later we would have mass shootings and casualties from gun violence. It is a fact of the time that there were no such things as mass shootings, simply because they were impossible to carryout at the time (any one who would've attempted this, would've been stopped before they loaded their next bullet). Quite simply, based on the context of the time the amendment was made, I personally do not agree that in today's time we should have automatic weapons and even semi-automatic weapons available on the market. Single shot weapons, IMO, are fine for hunting and civilian use.

 

Why ban bombs if people still make them? Why ban murder if it still happens? This is such a silly argument. It's called a preventative measure.

 

In what way will this be a hate thread? I thought it said "Political Debate Thread" at the top. it is in no way meant to be hateful, just a medium for people to express their thoughts and opinions. also, on the "Handguns dont have the same capacity as assault rifles" argument, Handguns can often, with an extended magazine, hold nearly 30 rounds, which is the high average for semi-auto weapons.

 

#2ndamendmentgang

 

Guns are stupid.

 

If your country clearly can't handle people owning guns they should be banned.

America has had about 90 mass shootings in the last 10 years while on seconds place comes the philippines with "only" about 20.

I say take them all away and let them defend theirselves with a regular old kitchen knife like 90% of the world.

 

Why ban bombs if people still make them? Why ban murder if it still happens? This is such a silly argument. It's called a preventative measure

So why ban the guns if they're still going to be out there what you saying makes no scene what would be the point in banning them if people still use them? Banning guns does nothing, just makes it worse look at Chicago the state with the most crime but yet the strictest gun laws. Take a look at Pennsylvania least gun laws least crime! The gun laws are just going to make crime worse. Also what happened with Hitler? He took the Jews guns away before they invaded them he told them we will take care of you and he killed lots of them.