[ForgotPassword] Innocent Alt Scamming [Krissy, Wilbo, Lemo]

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    Server name (.net / .org ): .net

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    Full exact Ban Message: You are banned from this server! Reason: alt scamming! Please appeal at skyblock.net - Krissy/lem/wilbo

    Did you read the rules ? ...

    Why do YOU think you were banned? That’s hard for me to tell as I didn’t scam. Someone named ‘Dechant’ used a public IP and committed a scam. There are just a few public proxies that actually works. Often the sites recommend a certain. Which it did in this case. I had earlier watched video’s on youtube that wasn’t allowed in my country. To do this I changed my proxy so youtube will think I live somewhere else. I often don’t change back if there is no reason to so I continued to play with the same proxy. Sadly, Dechant had watched the same tutorial on how to change IP and scammed. I don’t want to advertise in public but you may think this is important so I’m gonna share the youtube link in here, please don’t ban


    After all of this I just played as normal until I saw EyeHamStewPid spam chat that he lost a beacon. I had for a long time tried to sell one and thought this was a good opportunity. I asked him if he wanted to buy a new. As he has said himself he really liked beacons


    About me being dechant:

    I’m not that stupid as Dechant seems to be. First of all, he pays 250 dias. I wouldn’t do anything like that if I would have scammed. That’s just suspicious. In my opinion, EyeHamStewPid might even know about him, they are maybe friends or related somehow. I’ve heard that EyeHamStewPid has got refunded and that the mods haven’t found the stolen items because someone was lucky enough to transform the dias to block and bypass the logsystem with an outstanding plugin that didn’t get covered by the logsystem. This is the problem that comes when you put in plugins from different developers. This is probably made by pure luck that someone want the ability to take to stuff with another account if he maybe gets banned. I also notice that it took some time for Dechant to appeal. Around one and a half week. That might have been the time to sell the items with an alt. He waited to appeal til the items already were sold because than he doesn't have to give it back as he is not capable to. This might have been well planned or pure luck. In which case, it doesn't point out me. Mods have checked every single log of my valuables. They haven’t found a single clue. I can’t make logs go away so if I would have the items than I would have got caught. The only proof against me is that single ip. But why would I do that simple mistake? I know how to change and I’ve already got banned because of ip before a long time ago. If I was guilty I would have changed ip. But I didn’t.

    Why I got people against me in this is because later on after dechant scammed and I saw EyeHamStewPid in need of beacon I sold it. But something strange happens and both of us got scammed. You’ve probably seen his video. Yes, he did record it. But that isn’t proof as the video shows I got scammed too. In the beginning of the tape, you can see that EyeHamStewPid tells a friend that he is going to trade a beacon. That could have been a signal or maybe the person just thought himself to take it. First EyeHamStewPid wanted to trade on his island. Why would that matter for him where to trade it? Maybe because he knew someone were there waiting with the invisible potion. There is a possibility that EyeHamStewPid streamed the screen while the friend watched it and gave EyeHamStewPid the perfect alibi. Or just screen sharing on skype. That’s maybe why the person knew where the trade would occur. To make this even better EyeHamStewPid pretended to get scammed by dropping the items. A proof of this is that EyeHamStewPid saw that it was an invis guy there or at least saw that the items disappeared in the air. One of the stacks got saved tho. EyeHamStewPid knew that someone invisible had taken the stuff (He even wrote it himself to me, proof in video). Still, he dropped it. Why? Maybe to get an even higher refund.

    This could have been a double scam for his side. First, he gets my beacon and than he gets a refund of stuff he still owns. The perfect scam, he get away with two more new beacons plus the diamonds already owned. It took me sometime to realise it. The thing that got me thinking was, why would anyone trust someone who claims to buy a beacon for 250 dias. That insane. Maybe just to have a reason to sell. And get even more refunds. This wasn’t just a player scam but also a server scam. There is just one thing. The thing that actually got me banned. The thing that tells the opposite of what’s stated above. Two alts called ‘fantor’ and ‘fantor2’. The scammer wasn’t dumb. Taking the items directly is too risky. What the scammer did was using a well-known website, https://mcleaks.net/ . I know for a fact that these accounts (not just fantor and fantor2 but also all the other once) are used on this server to commit scams. Because sometimes when I’d want to have fun with my friends with alts I’ve notice that they are banned. Mostly for scamming and griefing. Sometimes even disrespect and ban evading. This didn’t stop me from using them as I didn’t do this kind of stuff with them. Well, I admit that I’ve sometimes used them to write “ForgotPassword is very rich!” and pretending being some sibling to me to get the honest opinion of what people thinks of me. That’s the most common reason. It was a long time tho and if you want to mute me it’s fine (if this is the case than the amount of time shouldn’t be over 1 day as the alts just got 10 minutes xD)

    The problem with these alts is when I use them they will get my IP. And when someone checks which accounts that have got matching ip they will get shown as well. That’s the reason of why I’ve got the same ip. I was in a conversation with some moderators talking about this issue. Than krissy said that fantor have got logs on my friend's island. This isn’t proof against me at all but I’d think I should explain it. This is me saying this and not my friend so it’s not proof to ban just a reason to unban me. Fantor might have been used to collect items that you get by replacing islands. Once again, this is not proof for banning him.


    All of the stuff stated above is a possibility that needs to re-considers. There is one more reason makes me innocent. I’ve seen some of the proof against me and it doesn’t make sense. Fantor and Fantor2 having similar name may cause some confusion. Lemo sended me some proof of fantor placing a beacon in a chest plus some diamonds that is almost as many diamonds that got stolen. But the ip match showed I had the same IP as fantor2 which is a totally different person. I’d think I’ve been online at both, not sure tho, because I use “the secret website” a lot and there is just a few accounts. You often get same as last time. This is because many of the accounts are hacked and Mojang is getting them back to their rightful owner. But the proof still shows me innocent. I still admit I’ve probably been online at both so if someone like has ip of me matching the other fantor I won’t argue about.


    One more thing. There isn’t proof that the items get transferred to fantor just proof that a smaller part of what’s been taken from the second scam only have a close amount of what fantor placed in a tradeshop. Actually, it’s just the beacon that is right. The diamond isn’t as many as EyeHamStewPid got scammed on. Just close. Also, the time he placed in the chest was later than the scam. This talks against that fantor were used to hide logs. So there is no real proof against fantor/fantor2 or any connection except a thin log based on having almost same stuff. I don’t say they have nothing to do with it but there is no proof of it. Please correct me if I’m wrong!

    Was this an incorrect ban? Yes

    Were you ever banned before on SkyBlock? If so, what for? Sadly yes, won’t bore you with the ‘what for?’!

    Why do you think you should be unbanned?

    I think I’ve already said it all. Also, this is something happen one month ago and I get banned now. But the sad thing about this is in between for just a week ago I bought an upgrade. As I travelled to Norway and have been offline for a week I’ve not had any time to try it out. It would be sad to buy an upgrade and never be able to use it. It’s like wasting money on nothing. This is not a reason to unban me but might be something to have in mind.


    Thanks for reading!
     
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    I know I should be patient but I've been checking the forum every 10 minutes just to see if you've answered. Also seen you have watched it several times without replying. A response would be nice in my opinion.

    Don't wanna be rude tho so please don't read it like that
     
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    I was the one who located the items, I just have a few questions for you.

    How did you know that they bypassed the logging system (which they didn't because we still found the items).

    Were you ever on the account fantor or fantor2, are you saying these accounts are from mcleaks?

    I apologize, some of the mods are in different timezones. You will get a reply from them soon.
     
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    Because a mod told me, think you were invited to that convo too.
    They are from mcleaks, that is the only realistic explanation. If so I've probably been online with them as I use them a lot for legal stuff like vote and yea, I've told it in the appeal so.


    What do you want from me to get unbanned?
     
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    Your replies will be fine. The other's probably agreeing with your desitions as you are one of the banning mods as well!
     
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    I'll wait for the other banning mods to give their input.
     
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    I've been banned for a really long time now.

    Recently Lemonade told me it's much irl to deal with. I understand that but I'd wanna continue playing and this mistake have already taken enough from me. Please just say what you want from me to get unbanned and I will do it. Probably.
    If I'm correctly just one of you needs to get me unbanned.

    Please reply!
     
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    Okay for real, please just say what you want from me. I don't want to be banned anymore for something that's clearly just a huge misunderstanding that already got its explanation. I have to be in-game soon. Also, people are already using this against me.
     
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    I'm sorry for the long wait but I would really like for the other moderators involved to post here.
     
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    Sorry that it took me so long to reply.

    The IP of fantor (not fantor2) originally matched yours when Krissy checked it. When I checked it, the IP did not match yours. This scenario is probably due to fantor not using your IP again. With your strong relation with Johnny and him being trusted on his island, it makes you seem at fault. ForgotPassword -> Johnny; Johnny -> Fantor; ForgotPassword -> Fantor. The reason I say that you may be connected to him is because he placed the scammed items in a tradeshop, and so did Johnny. I may not be understanding this correctly, and I've thoroughly read your whole appeal, but could you please explain this?
     
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    If Johnny placed an item in a trade chest and fantor did the same. Just because I know Johnny does that mean I'm connected to fantor. I don't really know what to explain. Also, the appeal explains pretty much everything. I know the appeal isn't the best as it's just something I wrote fast to get unbanned.
     
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    As you say I've been online with fantor which I'm not going to argue about as he is probably a mcleak. I understand the consequences by using that website and have decided to stop, permanently.
     
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    Maybe this answer your question
     
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    Krissy as you are online!
     
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    I am not handling this appeal. It is up to wilbo and/or lem.
     
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    But you are one of the banning mod, shouldn't you like tell why you are. The reason you're involved
     
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    Could anyone just tell me what's going on? None of you wants to answer because you're awaiting the other ones too. Except Lemonade who already have answered and don't have time to do it again because he is busy irl. I'd want this appeal to end. Accepted or denied.

    I lied, I just want it accepted but that's up to you xD
     
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    This might be just me but it feels like you're avoiding this appeal. I want this to end.
    Btw everyone have answered something so please tell me what you want from me!
     
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    I'm sorry, but I couldn't respond. I just came on to check my conversations and such.
    The thing we are worried about is that if we let you back on the server, this same incident could happen again. Obviously, as moderators, we don't want that to happen. The connection we have made is you are associated with fantor because he placed roughly the same amount of items at the approximate same time when being scammed. Yes, it wasn't the exact amount of items, but it was awfully similar: one beacon and about 10 diamonds less than the scammed amount. EyeHam has no obvious association with fantor, but it seems that you do.

    You said you use a public IP, so your IP's must be the same. I understand that. Fantor and Fantor2 probably have used McLeaks for their accounts due to it being an unmigrated account (being able to hack easier), but there is no 100% way to guarantee this. I hope you understand what I mean.

    What I would like is to have more moderators' opinions on this, not only the banning moderators.
     
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