Donors or not?

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Players thoughts.

  1. Yes. We are Donors.

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  2. No. We are not Donors.

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  1. KhalDrogo
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    Noobcrew, A question was asked in game today but the moderators online weren't able to answer.

    Drogo thinks this is a very important question that all players are entitled to know the answer to and it seems that you are the only one able to speak on the matter.

    So Drogo asks you directly. Ranks, Kits, Items, etc purchased from the web store. Are these donations?

    Drogo is also curious on what players beliefs are on this so he has added a poll.
     
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    I don't think we a donors as we have purchased in game products which have given us significant advantages in the game. I personally wouldn't have spent money if I wasn't getting those products in return.
     
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    I’m slightly confused with the question…

    Isn’t it obvious that anything bought from Skyblock Store is you donating to the server…? Just my opinion.
     
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    It appears that that is a common thought but Drogo doesn’t believe it to be correct.
    Donations don’t provide benefits, products or services to the donor.
     
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    But surely your kit, your fly purchase - they benefit you? Maybe not your real life, but they benefit your Skyblock journey - which is what the Minecraft Server Shop is for… ?

    No minecraft server will provide real life benefits for donating.
     
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    Precisely why Drogo believes it’s a purchase and not a donation.
     
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    You are making a purchase but in order for that to happen, you are donating.

    A purchase can be a mandatory subject whereas a donation is something you voluntarily do. There is no requirement to buy something from the shop.

    Besides, the online shop may have already answered your question:
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    We then have it as “donation issues” as the issue would involve an issue with the received item OR with the money donated.


    I don’t think this is a question that has 1 answer that x is y. It doesn’t work like that because it’s down to the individual to decide what purchase and what donate mean to them. I can say what I think, you can say what you think & it may be completely different. Likewise, Crew could say it’s a donation but you can still believe it’s a purchase. This isn’t something that’s subject to 1 answer, it’s down to player interpretation.
     
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    Purchases and donations are mutually exclusive. It's either one or the other. Player expectations and server obligations will differ depending on whether we are donors or consumers.

    Drogo agrees that the online shop has answered the question as it makes no sense at all to have a sale on donations and it clearly states they are purchases.
    It just raises the question, why is the term donor or donation used with regards to players at all.

    Drogo is aware of the 'Donation Issues' forum page and believes it's naming is not correct.
     
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    Even at my local coffee shop, they provide a “Donor” Card, when you make a purchase they stamp your card. I personally don’t think it’s such a huge difference & more down to an individuals interpretation. Just my opinion :)
     
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    I tought they made it called a Donation so back in 2015 they didn't get in trobule for breaking the eULA.
     
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    Drogo was hoping to get more votes on the polls before mentioning the following as he wanted to know players thoughts as they stand currently.

    The Minecraft Commercial Usage Guidelines, among other things, states that servers, may :

    • ask for donations (as opposed to direct charges) IF you do not offer the individual donor something in exchange that only he or she can use. You may offer server wide rewards if donation goals are achieved though.
    • sell entitlements that affect gameplay provided that they do not adversely or negatively another player’s experience and provided they do not give a competitive gameplay advantage. A competitive gameplay advantage is something that, given identical skill levels, time investment, and circumstances, can cause one player or group to perform better than another.
    This makes it clear that anything purchased from the web store are not donations and as there is no option to donate money without receiving anything in return, there are no donors. Not even Donor400's are donors despite the name.

    Drogo's coffee shop has them too, but they are called loyalty cards.
     
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    It appears you have factually answered your own question queried above. I think the way that is broken down or interpreted, again as mentioned, is individual :)
     
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    Drogo doesn't fully understand your second sentence there.

    Drogo has probably answered his question, yes, but being an important question that players should be fully aware of, it is not Drogo's place to answer it. Only Noobcrew can do that.

    Also Drogo was hoping to know what players thoughts were on the matter, before it was answered with certainty.
     
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    Drogo isn’t aware of that but, they can’t just call them donations if it doesn’t fit the EULA’s definition.

    It certainly appears that Skyblock is selling entitlements but Drogo would question if the entitlements being sold, meet the requirements stated in the excerpt above.
     
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    They're purchases. Minecraft servers are all a business, and whether you've got 50 players or 50,000 at hypixel, it costs thousands to run per month and take up a considerable amount of time to maintain.
     
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    Cheers for clarifying Noobcrew.
     
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    You can call it whatever you want, but legally, these are purchases. People pay money in exchange for digital goods / services. Any court in the world will define that as a purchase, not a donation.

    (I realize noobcrew already answered this tho)
     
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    So....are skyblock vote gc's donations?
     
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    If you get something for the money you put in, even if it's a voucher. It's a purchase.
    So purchased gift cards are well....purchases.

    Coupons won through voting, are neither a purchase or a donation, they would be a reward for voting.
     
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    But it doesn't cost anything but time to vote right? (Btw im talking about the monthly vote gc rewards)
     

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