Standards or no?

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  1. KhalDrogo
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    You are totally off topic and without a clue as to what the real topic is.

    Let me say one more time. This has nothing to do with the removal of my post and the reasons behind it. That was accepted and never disputed.

    You can say what you like about what the staff have said but it means little as they haven't picked up on the topic either. Krissy got close, but not quite.
     
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    might not be pg but i would consider it pg-13 atleast. also depends on the use, ex someone saying “wtf are you talking about” is them directly swearing at someone while replying to a crazy story with “wtf thats wild” is just showing shock. as mods said earlier i think its context based.
     
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    Dare I ask what the point actually is then?
     
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    Sure. As stated succinctly yesterday.

    If the phrase 'WTF' is not considered 'PG' by the government agencies that define the rating, then the server is not 'PG'.

    It should:

    1. Drop the claim that it is PG.
    2. Censor the phrase WTF and its variants
    3. Continue to delude it's self on the topic.
     
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    Could you please provide some context for the sentence in which you used the technical term for the male genitalia?
     
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    Only in a private message in accordance with the rules of the server.
     
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    Okay, let me address this.

    Context is key.

    Your message was not said in a PM. It was said on a public thread.
    Happy to provide a screenshot of that if you wish to tell us all here now it was private. It was not.

    The way in which you made that inappropriate joke surrounding male genitalia is NOT okay and is completely different than someone saying 'wtf' or 'lmao.' Context is everything, had you had used that to 'educate' then it wouldn't have been removed but the fact you made inappropriate joke is NOT ok.

    I cannot say that any clearer.

    I do not know what the purpose of this thread was and nor do I know your desired outcome however what you are asking after your joke being removed is completely unjustified.
     
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    Another moderator totally off topic and seemingly without a clue as to what it is despite it being clearly restated at her request.

    Drogo never claimed the joke was made in private and he never argued it’s removal. This thread IS NOT about the removal of the post.
    Regarding Drogo’s mention of a private message. You might want to look at what that was in response to. Drogo didn’t say the original post was said in private, he said he could only provide context in a private message.

    Context is key.

    Did you read, like really read, the original post?

    Re read the last sentence of the first paragraph, this will tell you what the topic is NOT.

    The following paragraph will tell you what it IS.

    If it were still April 1st Drogo would think for sure this was a joke as he cannot fathom how this is so hard for some people to grasp.
     
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    Apologies for misunderstanding your message, I think some extra punctuation and/or words is required for the message to be read in that nature. Please also don't be rude to us. We didn't have to reply to this thread.


    Anyway...
    What actually are you asking of us and why?

    You want 'wtf' to be filtered? If several people aren't getting the point, maybe that point isn't clear...

    No I agree you we are not 100% PG, that's impossible to be. Almost everything we say would be filtered.
    However, we do moderate to keep as close to PG as we can for the audiences and groups of age groups we have in this community, hence why I said, if your message was used for something like educational purposes, it wouldn't have been considered inappropriate or not PG. You could have used a lot worse words, no argument against that, but the whole message struck the problem. It's not one word out of it, it's the whole context and situation.

    All of us are guilty of saying 'wtf' or 'lmao' and both of those as Krissy mentioned are not pronounced as words but instead sounds. Because of this, 'fu#k' is censored and 'wtf' is not. To me, in my opinion 'wtf' is PG.

    If we were to be strictly 100% PG, as mentioned a lot of the messages would be filtered.
    What we see and what is moderated is based of context, all reports we gather context. Which is when I will link back again to my original statement of context being key specifically just for your situation.
    This would be approached in the same manner with anyone, context is vital and decisions/punishments are based off more than a message sent to chat/forums.

    I hope this makes sense and I hope I have at least acknowledged what the point it. If I have not, can I kindly request you specify and clarify for me what your intentions, purposes and desires are for this thread?
     
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    Drogo has no intentions. He’s not asking for anything. This isn’t a suggestion thread. He’s merely stating that if WTF is not classified as PG, then the server cannot claim to be PG.
    You need to understand though, you don’t get to have an opinion as to whether WTF is PG or not. These classifications are determined by the responsible government agencies. Just like laws, we don’t get to have an opinion on what is legal and what is not.
     
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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just as you expressed yours, I shall express mine. That does not mean it's a final decision.

    This is skyblock, we aren't the government.
     
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    Considering PG rating requirements and laws as a whole differ country to country, I'd say it absolutely is a topic in which you can have opinions on.
     
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    Girliepop, can you provide links or screenshots as to where the law states WTF is not PG? Also what country's law are you referring to bestie? Thanks sugar muffin!! (Genuine question!)

    #yassifiedlaws #wtfisnotokay #slay #girlboss #materialdrogo #cassievsmaddy #atetheplate #maisaapgonly
     
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    I mean you seem to be aware it was the not the word you used but the context. Your original post only sounds like it was due to the word, also if someone knows what wtf stands for then they know the word already, if not then they don't... are you trying to ask that all abbreviations that could potentially contain a character representing a swear word be filtered? Just that kind of sounds like a difficult task considering how quickly new ones appear, and while I can't think of any right now, but short abbreviations that are filtered may make parts of other words become filtered. I personally think the question was clear
     
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    Can you provide links that show it’s not?
    It’s not Drogo’s responsibility to ensure the server complies to the standards it claims to and Drogo's not suggesting it filter anything. Only that it should ensure it's claims are valid or drop those claims.
    Staff that have commented here seem to think that what is PG comes down to personal choice. This only shows that they don't understand what PG really is.


    #namecallingisfunforfiveyearolds #swearingmakesmecool #pweasedonttakemyswears #dontwannagrowup



    Yes, maintaining a PG standard is very difficult in an environment where you are not in control of the input. If it can't be achieved they shouldn't make the claim because claiming to be PG gives you a duty of care to maintain that standard.
     
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    No ones claiming you are the government but if you claim to adopt a standard that is set by the government then you should maintain that standard or drop the claim.
     
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    Drogo is not being rude at all Megan. Don’t know where you think he was.

    It makes no sense to say your not 100% PG. It’s like saying someone is not 100% dead. You either are or your not.
     
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    Parental guidance:
    Proactive guidance given by a parent to a child when the child asks or when a parent knows intuitively it is important. Parental guidance is important in parenting and the development, guiding and nurturing of a child.
    Source: What does Parental Guidance mean?.

    Examples include how parents reinforce their children's behaviour, punish their children or show them love and warmth. Only in the last decade have researchers studied the role parents play in helping or hindering their child's progress toward — or abandonment of — a particular course of development, he said.

    Source: Parental Guidance Key Concept in Child Development

    PG: Parental Guidance Suggested, Some Material May Not Be Suitable for Children. The film should be investigated further by parents. There may be some content such as language, violence or brief nudity, but they aren't so intense that more than guidance is suggested.

    Source: What do movie ratings mean? - Early Childhood Development.

    Tl;dr: PG is set by the views of a parent, not by the law. Skyblock isn't a parent, and we aren't its kids. We are members of the community and moderated by the server staff. These people are who are able to let us know what's server appropriate and what isn't. So basically if staff like Krissy are saying WTF isn't PG, they have a point. I'm not saying that I am full on agreeing or full on disagreeing, because technically the abbreviation is What the F**k, but when people tend to use this abbreviation, like many have said, it's displaying shock. Period sis, *drops microphone and walks out*.

    #yassifiedmovies #yassifieddrogo #milliondollarthread #takeitorleaveit #maisaapgonly #boorahae #brownpremium #emmaroberts
     
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    All that I've learned from this thread is that
    1. People take SB way too serious
    2. An option to lessen chat filter similar to those on other MC servers would be great. This filter would still prevent certain words from being said (racist/homophobic remarks etc), and allow the "common" swear words.

    Edit: For reference, the lessened filter would be off by default
     
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    I still remember when the abbreviation "wtf" and the words "grapes" "skyscraper" "gay" used to be censored back in the classic days, even if bypassed they would lead to a mute.
     

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