Hey if any of yall wanna say something abt politics reply to this thread and ill discuss it with you. Some ground rules i want to lay out for argument if anyone posts here are: 1. no insults 2. no straw manning (please watch for this) k ummm lets start Idk what to say because im not particularly eloquent for a first statement
The definition of socialism and what people mean when they say that word in reference to American politics has become so extremely skewed that I don't wanna touch that topic with a 10 foot pole. As for your reasoning as to why we shouldn't tax the rich higher than we already do, I have never heard that reason. I don't think it's a valid reason at all. If you want to be rich, you're still going to work at it. Higher tax rate would just mean you have to work slightly harder for it. But with all free economies, once you get a decent bit of money going, it's very easy to reinvest that and make a ton more money off of it, and quickly get to whatever goal you're going for. Nobody is going to lose interest in being rich just because it means they have to pay more taxes. You'd be better off taking the stance most others do, and fighting over whether or no the rich would reinvest that extra money in public donations, or hiring more workers, or paying their employees higher wages.
Actually, quick touch on socialism. Here's how conversations on the internet about it usually go: Left: America would benefit from socialist ideas. Right: Socialism doesn't work, look at Venezuela. Left: We don't mean completely convert America to socialism, but utilize socialistic properties, like in Denmark or Sweden. Right: That's a common mistake, those countries aren't actually socialist, but just regulated capitalist markets. Left: Yes, that's what we want. More regulation on corporations from the government. Right: That's not what you said, though, and even then those countries have less regulations in some areas than America does. Left: F u America's military is already fully socialist Right F u Venezuela is on fire
When it comes to politics it becomes a difficult topic to talk about due to the fact that there is no solid final conclusion.
Not trying to be political here but what's going in American politics is legit aids. I have a friend who's a hard fan of trump and often times I get dragged into discussions I don't even care about. I'll go over the highlights he says. Liberals want to take away the 2nd amendment No that's not even true just cause a semiautomatic weapon is being banned doesn't mean your gun rights are being taken away, as if it is the only gun out there that is "perfect for hunting". As a matter of fact the United States has some of the most lenient gun laws out of all the first world countries out there and claiming your 2nd amendment is being revoked is such a misleading claim. Liberals want regulation Honestly, at this point both parties want regulation in a variety of areas. If you have no regulation you're going to cause a lot of chaos The UK does not have freedom of speech and will arrest you. I read somewhere a woman got arrested for protesting against the government. Honestly, I don't even know where my friend got this from lmfao. Just because the UK does not have a law saying, "Hey guys we got freedom of speech" does not mean they don't... I'm more than 100% certain if there weren't freedom of speech people would literally be swimming across the Atlantic to the US just to get freedom of speech or maybe continental Europe? idk whichever you prefer xD. If at all, they have a law passed in 1998 that gives freedom of expression, which in some ways is freedom of speech. California and New York are ****hole states This one, is sad but true in some ways. We do have high taxes, have a lot of regulation, and high cost of living. But that doesn't mean that you have less freedom. I think my friend was thinking that having freedom would be the right to smoke, drink beer, and have more guns, etc. I think there's more but that's about all I can get from what he says and I don't know much about this stance anyways lool. Plus I feel like being free is having a wall and roof to protect you, having money to spend on the things you want, being able to make your own decisions, driving a car, etc. Liberals like socialism lmao my friend likes to bring this up a lot. From my vantage point, we like certain aspects like idea of regulating the economy just a little bit but not a lot, along with other good stuff about socialism idk about but im sure there is lol. He literally assumes that almost all liberals are socialists, which is not even true at all. The UK has a knife problem and in London its a bloodshed because many people are dying from knife attacks. The US has far fewer knife attacks than the UK This literally makes me wanna laugh so hard like honestly. It's funny how he assumes it. I am not even going to talk about this and will let my UK bffs take it over cause judging at the statistics the UK is hella safer than the US The drinking age must be lowered cause teens are gonna do it anyways so it makes sense to lower it I may be wrong on this one because I genuinely would give a damn on this one lmao. Granted in some (if not) many countries have the drinking age low and as a result more people are drinking and getting into DUI accidents. However one can argue that even at 21 it's an almost similar issue. anyways there's probably more but its 12:28 AM and I wanna sleep xd
yo im sort of conservative (yikes) but I kinda agree w/ u on most of these things. ----- My few contentions (slight though they be): Liberals are for regulation of the economy, conservatives are for deregulation and less government. We believe that with less taxes and less government, we can thrive with a better economy. Liberals believe (correct me if im wrong) that more regulation will keep order/prevent the rich from becoming richer. ----- The gun laws thing is kinda annoying though. imma disagree with you there. The second amendment was put there with the intention of the population being able to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. Restricting access to semi-auto weapons could severly inhibit that ability, and therefore the second amendment. pls disagree with me on where u think im wrong
The thing is, American politics isn't even that s*** to begin with. Honestly, the political status quo is encouraging more and more open debate than ever, something that I'm one hundred percent for. The problem is that 90% of these debates, whether they're between working politicians or ordinary people at home, are complete f***ing s***. Conservatives and liberals alike all resort to the same mudslinging and other logical fallacies. Politics has become more of a team sport rather than a platform for open, intelligent debate and discussion. Each party tends to vilify and dehumanize the other to the point where real politics becomes more and more of a thing of the past. We need to start remembering that it's all our f***ing country. We share it together, whether we like it or not. We're all human. We may have different beliefs on how the country should be run, but we should be mature enough to compromise and make the best choices for America's future. We are more divided than ever, and it's high time we make America united again. That's the only way we can ever achieve greatness.
Yea liberals do, however pouring economic freedom would worsen the rich and poor gap as well as expand more loopholes. What is sometimes misleading that I find is how conservatives (including my friend I think even though he doesn't claim as one) is how liberals want a socialistic economy when that is not true. What may seem as too much might not be what you think. Of course I wouldn't want a socialistic economy either but regulation helps maintain the economy and reduces how many people will take advantage of the less wealthy. I may be wrong on this but yeh Regarding the second amendment, I am pretty sure banning semi-automatic rifles (bear in mind I am talking about ones that fire more than 1 bullet per round) would not ban guns. There are so many guns out there that aren't semiautomatic and that too a variety of models. I understand the reason for the second amendment but if you're gonna stand up against a tyrnnical government pretty sure you a reg rifle (long guns basically), handguns, snipers (those that don't fire multiple bullets per round), and a few others I think would just suit you fine. If you give too much power to the people then what's the point of a government? Might as well give all the power to the people
To your first point, I think that the gap would not make the poor poorer, it would simply help the rich become rich, which would give jobs in their businesses to the poor, like trickle down economics (kind of a derogatory name but eh) Although there are guns that are not semi-auto, a "Tyrannical Government" would have full-auto weapons, which you can't really stand up to with a lever action or pump action rifle. I do agree that you would need extensive background checks to own a semi-auto weapon, to prevent them falling into the wrong hands though.
I demand free ponies after every election to cope with the amount of propaganda and negativity I have to deal with during said election
