Denied [OfficerWade] Racism [Laini][Denied]

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  1. Wadee
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    My discord username is OfficerWade#5492.

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    You were banned from Skyblock. Racism, harassment, and discrimination.

    Did you read the rules (DiscordRules)?
    I have fully read the discord rules and know them quite well.

    Was this an incorrect ban?
    This was not an incorrect ban on the in-game portion of the ban, but I do feel otherwise about
    the discord ban, which I will get into. I do understand how it might could be correct, but by the
    rules, it was not.

    Were you ever banned before on Discord? If so, what for?
    I believe I have been banned once before for an issue I can not remember. I may be wrong about
    this, however.

    Why do you think you should be unbanned?
    Politics is something that I get really into, and I get really involved in. When I join a server and see that I have been spammed with messages that say "Black lives matter" it infuriates me. It doesn't infuriate me because of the message, I actually completely appreciate the message behind it. It infuriates me because it is not only black people who are being targeted, and race shouldn't be brought into it. I actually bolster Black lives, White lives, blue lives, Chinese lives, Mexican lives, Canadian lives, all lives. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And when I have a whole group of people making fun of me, targeting me, and making fun of what I believe in, it really upsets me, and I am sure it would upset you as well. Truly, this was a politics thing, not a race thing. I wasn't being racist, and I apologize for if you believe that I was being racist. I was simply stating that all lives matter, not just black lives, not just white lives, or not just Chinese lives. All of them matter. I genuinely felt targeted, and upset, and it caused me to retaliate. No one should be fully held accountable for their actions when people are questioning someone's character. I am not asking for an unban in-game. I am simply asking that I please be unbanned from discord, as discord was not where this went down. I completely understand how others could have been offended, but I have feelings too, and I think that it is only appropriate that you guys take into consideration how I feel.
     
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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion however racist opinions are not to be shared.
    Black lives matter is a motto that came from the incorrect treatment of Americans who get shot, abused and killed by abusive police officers. It is all fueled by their colour.

    It doesn’t mean other lives don’t matter. But the situation where a black person can walk down the street and someone vilianises them just for not being white... that is where it comes from.

    You don’t understand what the phrase means and the suffering these Americans go through. They were shot dead for something white people wouldnt have been killed for. And regardless of your belief that they “deserved to be shot”, they did not. No one deserves to be shot dead. No one. In fact why does colour even matter? We are all human.

    Black lives matter should not infuriate you if you understand the actual reason behind it and claiming all lives matter doesn’t make a difference. What you said was inexcusable and is not the first time you have outrightly said an African American person should be shot for something they have done. Such as the time you said the black people who disrespected the flag should have been shot.

    This is also not the first time in general you have been sharing racist ideologies and thoughts. Your attitude is harmful for everyone on the discord.

    I will let Laini and fun handle this of course. I just needed to let you know the truth.
     
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    As stated in my appeal, racism was not at all intended. I was not degrading, or trying to make light of the black lives matter movement. I was simply stating that all lives matter.
    I do. I am in America, I live in America, and I see this happening all the time. I am well aware as of what the movement is. I wholeheartedly support the black lives matter movement, and I am really thankful that it is a thing. Police brutality, especially towards people of color is absolutely an issue and is something that needs to be fixed. I was not trying to say otherwise. I was simply saying that it is not only people of color that this happens to, so we shouldn't just focus on people of color. Whenever I have had white family members targeted by police, that becomes an issue for me.
    Thanks for saying it, but I don't appreciate that you're making it seem as if I am saying otherwise?
    I said, the primary reason that people are shot is that they blatantly ignore police officer's commands, and then they get shot. I am not supporting that at all, I am simply stating facts. And it is not just black people who this happens to, remember that.
    I don't recall ever saying that, if you could provide proof, that would be great.
     
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    I'm pretty sure this is enough to show that this was racism, not you standing up for all lives. Everything you've said completely contradicts what was stated in your appeal.

    Not only have you been racist before, whether or not you consider it racist, it is; you've also specifically targeted members of staff, and bullied them, as shown here.
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    You repeatedly accuse people of being biased, and then go and verbally abuse them, just to run to another member of staff and act like the victim. Deleting your discord messages of you calling me a "c*** face" was a smart move in playing that role. Sadly, I have screenshots of everything.
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    If you're going to continue denying abusing people, I have more and more proof to post, so would you like to own up, or continue making excuses?
     
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    I did own up and say that it was partially right. I’m sorry that that is not the answer that you would like. Also, I think it’s inappropriate for you to post screenshots that are over 3 months old, and completely had a different issue. I think I made myself pretty clear as of my stance on the Black Lives Matter movement today. 3 months is enough to change someone’s opinion. Still, you have yet to take into consideration how I felt in this situation, with your friends targeting me, making fun of my accent, and repeatedly degrading my political standpoint. Also, read my message when I was talking about shooting. “I’d shoot them, and I would shoot a white person too.” If this was race-involved, I wouldn’t have said that. I am in no way, shape, or form targeting people of color, regardless of what is believed. I feel I have truly shown my sympathy to you if you feel that I was being racist in my ban appeal, and I think that it is only appropriate for you to take into consideration my feelings. At the end of the day, it was an in the spur of the moment issue. I felt targeted, and i retaliated. As would you. You know how triggered I get over these things, and let you let it happen.
     
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    Whenever people get "political" it ends up becoming an issue. I am fully aware at how it feels to be targeted because of something I am passionate about. However, your insistence on bringing up these views on numerous occasions is distressing for staff, and distressing for members of our community, and not just something to be taken lightly.

    You prove that you have no idea about the "politics" you are passionate about because had you known this, you would have understood why black people are shot by police. Consider this:

    This is a more comedic approach yet is the first step of the issue. Racial profiling is just the beginning of the issue that has sparked #blacklivesmatter.
    Many victims in these racially fueled police abuse attacks are portrayed as people who did something to deserve their treatment, yet they have done nothing that would require being shot or killed.

    In 2013, the movement began with the use of the hashtag#BlackLivesMatter on social media after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin in February 2012. This is what sparked it. The fact that a person who killed another human... without any justice being served... this is why black lives matter is a thing. Because there is still so much discrimination towards black people where there should be none.
    "All Lives Matter" reflects a view of "racial dismissal, ignoring, and denial" Denying the fact that it is an issue, dismissing the fact this is racially charged and ignoring the problem that black people face. We are talking about shootings and unfair treatment towards a minority... when you add all lives to the mix it no longer makes the real issue surface and thus will not be resolved.

    'All Lives Matter' implies that all lives are equally at risk, and they're not. Because you are forgetting that the risk of being abused, discriminated against and shot are far higher when you are black. All lives matter groups all humans as if we are all given equal representation and rights... which is wrong.

    Now that all this politics crap is out of the way, lets go back to the appeal part.

    Your stance on black lives matter is contradicted by you saying the statement that black people (and later, white people) deserve to be shot if they don't comply. How is that "all lives matter". Laini pointed this out already.
    You have said that undocumented people should be deported because "America is full", you claimed people who disrespect the flag should have been shot, you claim black people get shot because they are acting childish and more over the space of around 3 months and you have never once in that time stopped giving your opinion on it when disciplined.
    You are not taking responsibility for what you said and the consequences of said words. You still are saying to us that because it is your opinion you are free to share it when it is offensive to people and can be very well construed as racist.
    This is not a valid reason for your actions. You aren't even taking responsibility here... you are just saying to us that we have to babysit the server and make sure no one pisses you off. We are not here to control your actions or other people's actions. We are here to enforce broken rules. You need to control your own self and stop blaming everyone else. Your actions cause people to come at you, and your actions make you flame back at them and it was your idea to abuse laini in pm and it is your idea to talk politics on a minecraft server. Everything here is no one elses fault but your own.

    In short;
    Your behaviour is toxic to members of this community and your behaviour towards laini and other staff have been detrimental to them. You don't care about the consequences of sharing political views that talk about controversial topics. You are 100% responsible for any actions and words you have said and what you have said, past and present.

    Your goal here is to tell us why exactly you should be unbanned with no excuses, and no "he made me angry so i retaliated" things. Why should you be allowed back?
     
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    I think I explained very well why my account should be unbanned. I’d have to re-direct you to my previous messages, and my appeal.
     
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    The following is from an article: White people are uncomfortable with the word “Black”, because it reminds us that race is still an issue. It disturbs the illusion of many White people that we live in a post-racist world, and it challenges our claim to be “colorblind.” And so, when White people see or hear the words, “Black Lives Matter,” they respond with “All Lives Matter.”

    My Part
    I am not, I have never been, and I will not be a racist. I am not, and have not ever supported racism, or discrimination of any kind. Colored people face the same issues as LGBTQ people, why would I make colored people feel any less? My actions were not made in an attempt to degrade, or to make light of the race issues within the United States, and around the world. Racism is a huge issue, homophobic is an issue, and violence, in general, is an issue. And trust me, I live in America, I see these things happening. I do understand that this may happen as well in England, Australia, Germany, Etc. But, half of America is still stuck in the 70's and these things are not taken lightly by people. As someone who has been discriminated before, I would not dare wish that upon another human.

    Final Verdict?
    My actions were absolutely unacceptable, and not allowed for a variety of reasons. I understand that it is your guys' job to create a safe, clean atmosphere for players to enjoy pvping, building and chatting. To assist with this sometimes it is necessary to ask players to tone down their behavior or to follow the rules. I regret to say I have violated this policy, resulting in a suspension of my ability to play on the server. I am already very aware that being racist is not allowed on the server. Furthermore, spreading racist ideas on the server is not allowed and is an obvious tactic and not appreciated. I understand that if I wish to remain a part of the community, I will need to follow the rules and avoid a repeat of this problem. Please, consider unbanning my account.
     
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    Hey Wade. Laini had asked me to share my thoughts on the things you've said and my thoughts on your ban. I'm going to try to make this as detailed and understandable as possible for you and anyone else reading.
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    To start, you said it yourself that you can be banned. This was said three months ago, but so were some of the things that were on the list of things that got you permanently banned.
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    Now onto the actual topic of the ban. You were banned for racism, harassment, and discrimination. Unfortunately, I can't say that I haven't seen you do all three of these things.
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    After looking through general chat on discord, I found you saying this out of nowhere. There was no reason for this to be said, and I don't know what you were even trying to get across, but it's completely unacceptable for anyone to say on this server. I don't think I need to explain what's wrong with this statement, but I will if you'd like me to.

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    Truthfully, I don't have many words about this. It's just full of hatred and it's extremely rude.

    Before you had said this, many people were upset about how you referred to people by the color of their skin:
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    The way you phrased this was not only extremely rude and necessary, but it was racist.

    Afterwards, a player, who will remain unnamed, thought that it was completely out of line for you to say that the two Americans should be shot for what their actions and thought that you purposely mentioned their race to show why you thought that they should be shot.

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    You then proceeded to call the player this.

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    And then you denied that you said anything racist.

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    The very next thing you said was this. Instead of saying "black people," you asked if you could call them "charcoal people." I don't think it could get any more disrespectful than this. Labeling the color of someone's skin as "charcoal" is extremely derogatory and unacceptable to say.

    The next few images are just showing the key points of the conversation afterwards:
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    I went ahead and copied and pasted all of the discord rules. The ones highlighted are the ones you've broken:
    Swearing
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    Inappropriate Links and Photos
    Inappropriate Comments
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    6/11 rules broken. That's just from the proof I have in my reply and one from a reply above.

    Overall, I do not believe you should be unbanned. Even though you may have changed from when you have said these things, there are other pieces of evidence [click here] that are from not too long ago.
     
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    Wade, I don't hate you. I'm not a fan of the things you've said/done, but I don't hate you.
     
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    As I explained. I am sorry for my actions.
     
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    We all understand you're sorry, however "sorry" doesn't excuse everything you've done.
    You've broken countless rules, and someone making you angry doesn't make you being racist and harassing people okay.

    Because of the many other problems you've caused recently, this is your final warning. If you're racist towards players or harass people again, you will be permanently banned.

    Since the staff have made it clear how many rules you've broken, I hope you understand that you won't be unbanned at the moment. You will have to wait out your ban.

    Thank you for appealing.
     
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