Global Change of Casino rules

I think most mentalities of children , and all people gambling, are that they will continue to play the casino until they have won something that makes all their grass back or at least a decent amount back.

 

This ^^^ addictions start because the person doesn't know how to stop. Most people don't learn to stop gambling because they lose, they keep playing until they don't lose but end up losing everything. Games like this is what start addictions IMO, not all, but some start this way

Putting that aside I'm going back to what Adrian is saying, I wouldn't be opposed but I can't see a situation where this is able to be applied well. If I can see a detailed plan of how to enforce something like this that could actually work I'd be all for it

 

That’s not how gambling works, if they lose they’re more inclined to gamble again as “one more won’t hurt”. Regardless my suggestion is to show casino odds so this isn’t really relevant.

not my suggestion.

If these casino’s are fair it shouldn’t effect any of them. By saying it’s going to have a massive impact by simply showing the odds then you’re saying they make money by exploiting people into betting by acting like odds are reasonable.

The economy was fine before casino’s and would be fine if they were to all close down. (Which isn’t what I’m even suggesting).

Provably fair = shown how odds are worked out. Not really sure how you’re confused.

Please go back and read what I’ve said to you and other people as I think you’ve got my suggestion confused.

 

I didn't say I wasn't aware of the odds, I am aware however how am I to be sure the builder didn't lie to me about it? That's my concern.

 

That is your responsibility as the owner of a casino to ensure that the casino is what you say it is. If someone is capable of building a casino they are capable of explaining how it works and how odds are calculated. If they explain it and you follow along then it cannot be false.

Again not relevant to my suggestion lol please go read it again.

 

Maybe when they are under 12, but kids do grow, and turn into teens. The same tho Gn happened to me and my siblings - years ago we would play skyblock, save up grass, and use them on casinos in the hopes that we could win more. Alas we lost it all, and quit for a while. When we came back, we learned that there was a better bet to make - make the casino, not take the casino. Instead of being on the losing side, be on the winning side. And we then learned the risk of casinos. (Except my youngest bro, he’s a lot younger though)

So here is what we know - casinos only work because they cant mathematically lose if they are set up right, and continue to exist. Therefore, if a young kid starts to gamble at casinos and continues, he will lose grass. If he does win, he will just have more faith in it and continue gambling. But, due to knowing the odds of winning are lower than the odds of losing, that kid WILL EVENTUALLY lose all their grass. And what do young kids when they lose it all at a video game? Quit. And if they don’t, they’ve already learned their lesson, it will just learn it again.
Once they come back if they quit, they will either be old enough to recognize that casinos don’t help them, they will not be as old but still get the idea, or they will go learn their lesson again.

Either way, would you rather have a kid learn the cons of gambling in Minecraft or in real life?

Also, I feel that even forcing them to display the odds doesn’t help the situation whatsoever. Little kids don’t understand odds, they will just assume they are the lucky ones, and gamble away. If they wanted to gamble earlier, they will do it either way.

Just a thought.

Edit: One thing I would support is having it so people who lie about casino odds get in trouble. Lying about the odds is not ok.

 

That's not how gambling addiction works. Regardless, mentioning kids gambling is not relevant to my suggestion. My suggestion is that all casino's should publicly display their odds.
"I feel that even forcing them to display the odds doesn't help the situation whatsoever." Lol this is a load of rubbish. Again you're relating it to kids which is completely irrelevant, it's not just kids that use casino's on skyblock. Please go over my suggestion again as I think you've miss understood what I'm suggesting.

I don't understand why you think that people would lie more about their odds than they are already if they have to display them. The whole point of my suggestion is to control the casino's as they're completely out of control. If their odds are so awful that they know they aren't "marketable" then they shouldn't be a casino in the first place.

 

But back to your post. If people choose, yes choose, to gamble no matter the outcome they will learn that gambling is not always in their favour. You insisting that any casino that offers a dp head as a prize that is clearly unachievable is in fact incorrect. Many have more than fair odds in doing so, you seeing those odds makes zero difference on gambling as a whole. People gamble as much or as little as they want and using "Children get addicted" as a defense is not strong enough, as mentioned by others, gambling is a fact of life, Kids are always exposed to elements of gambling, EVEN Happy meals have an element of a gamble getting certain toys and making some of them rarer than others. you don't get odds with your happy meal... Adding a rule to casinos involving displaying of odds will not stop gambling, will not stop scammers, will not stop anything. It will make zero difference.

Maybe your suggestion could include more of a teachable point, like Adrian suggested adding smaller simple casinos that people can actually be taught about the problems! Teaching them the issues is much better than making a rule to show odds.

 

I have not said that ALL casino's with DP heads as prizes have unreasonable odds, I'm not sure where you've got that from. "you seeing those odds makes zero difference on gambling as a whole" there are so many people that do not know the value of DP heads, so even if they were "reasonable", they could still be 1/100,000 (depending on the head). People who just think it's an ordinary head do not know how unlikely they are to get the head, which is why I'm suggesting that casino's need to be regulated.
"and using "Children get addicted" as a defense is not strong enough," PLEASE go back and read my suggestion, you're again saying something completely irrelevant. Please go back and read it.
"Adding a rule to casinos involving displaying of odds will not stop gambling, will not stop scammers, will not stop anything" I strongly disagree for all the points I've already said.

"Maybe your suggestion could include more of a teachable point, like Adrian suggested adding smaller simple casinos that people can actually be taught about the problems! Teaching them the issues is much better than making a rule to show odds." That's like telling overweight people to eat less. Also, how does saying to anyone "Some casino's will have fair odds, some casino's have unwinnable prizes. Goodluck!" help? If anything, that will discourage people from using casino's as a whole, which is what I'm not trying to do.

I've mentioned this in another reply, but I'll go over my idea in more depth.

1. The server implements the rule that all casino's must publicly and accurately display their odds, and all user's must abide by this rule by 2 weeks. (2 weeks is just a number, could be longer or shorter depending on what staff decide.
2. Those who do not display their odds will get punished. Maybe a temp ban, or an island lock so that no-one can come to their island for a set period of time.
3. VIA user reports and staff member's free time, casino's odds are checked. Obviously it's possible to check odds otherwise no one would have rare items in a casino.
4. User's who have found to be lying about their odds will face a more severe punishment.

Thank you, what is your opinion on my suggestion?

 

There's a lot of good points being made by both sides here, and thus I am torn on which side I draw my judgement. Ultimately though, any rule change or any suggestion which is implemented has to be for the better of the game experience wise, and also has to accommodate to new players at the same time without being confusing.

My main issue with this is the regulation of the odds by staff. Already, dealing with casinos is difficult, by adding this rule it would make it unnecessarily complex and runs the risk of diverting staff time elsewhere, and arguably not for the better.

My second issue concerns newer players. For those who are just getting started and want to create a small casino to boost their income, this rule may appear overbearing and ultimately drive them away if they end up getting tempbanned for something they weren't sure how to calculate, or display properly. I personally believe bannable offences should be kept as positive acts needed to break the rules, not merely omissions and failures to do something.

Lastly, coop members may be caught out by this unaware that they were even breaking a rule if they leave the running of the casino up to their island partners. If the casino still doesn't have its odds displayed even after 2 weeks and a tempban, does the rest of the island become responsible for it and as a result get banned, even if they weren't involved?

So, whilst I see your sentiments regarding the prevention of poorly advertised chances, player made casinos are a part of skyblock, and have have been for a long time. These issues aren't new. Users should know what they're getting into, by the very nature of it being a casino it's not a direct trade, the same as when doing manual trades - there's always the possibility to be scammed.

For these reasons I am remaining neutral.

 

I think it’s a good idea for users to know their risks of using and spending on casinos, it is good to know what to expect. But, I can imagine that it would be hard to enforce the rule; new players, etc.