Change reference for vote rankings

Most of you may have noticed the big discussion that evolved in this thread because of the ranking used by cyp is not the same that all assidious voter base their hopes on, namely this one. (Well the big part of the thread has been deleted because the discussion allegedly "off topic" - whatever, this deletion is not the topic here you have been warned! )

So as we know now from this post of Cyp but mainly from this post, the vote ranking that is used by Cyp is based on the votes that are effectively reported to his server through the votifier plugin. As far as I am aware it is the same plugin that enables his server to know who has voted in order to reward that player with the keys and grass you all know about.

But you may have all also noticed that on some occasions, you didn't get your key and grass although you voted. That is because a momentary glitch prevented the server to be informed about your vote through votifier, whereas the voting site did correctly register your vote (which, I admit, the voting site doesn't do everytime as well, but then the server don't get a voting information either).

So there comes the difference between the ranking used by Cyp and the ranking we all see on the voting site, which we rely on.

Pro:
It is fully understandable that Cyp needs something to base his ranking on. He cannot go on the voting site every 30 or 31st of the month at 1 AM UTC so see the very last status of the ranking. He is already generously giving out $ 125,- worth of coupon codes every months! At this stage I'd like to thank him for that on behalf of all of us.

Contra:
On the other hand, he must also understand that if he does offer such a competition, it must be fair, comprehensible and tracable for everyone. Because otherwise he generates more frustration and anger than the happiness and exhaltation he was working towards.

Now let me cut all this intro here come the suggestion: there must be another reliable source for the ranking he bases his voting competition on. It exists since we have that disrepancy between the vote site ranking and that of Cyp only come up recently. Bring it back.

Feel free to make other suggestions



Disclaimer: I personally have voted assiduously during 11 months from my start on this server befor finally winning a coupon. It was very frustrating all along. With buggy vote sites allowing multiple votes or not registering votes etc... But those where the vote site's fault. Now there is a glitch on skyblock's side, so we can do something about it. I don't care for winning again. I just cannot stand the ambient frustration and negativity generated by something that was supposed to bring something positive to the community. It was asked that this debate takes place on a separate thread, so here it is.

 

First off, let me state that I love your wife. Why? Because behind every brilliant man, is an even more brilliant woman.

I'd add that such an addition would be nice to be incorporated into the vote tab that already exists, if Cyp can tie the listener script in to it somehow.
We have to vote to keep this place around. We can't stop voting...those $25 coupons, the grass on Net, the keys on Net and Org...all the rewards are there as incentives. We who vote just ask for clarity and transparency if possible, and a fair shot at the prize.

He could do this, and delegate say, 3-5 diligent staff members to be responsible for taking a screenshot of the results at the end of each month so that no month is missed. We know the site had glitches but at the very least, we could follow our rankings on it. I mean, if the new listener script cannot be seen by voters, then the old system is preferable, glitches and all, in my opinion.

 

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Thank you, whoever did that.

 

Drogo thinks that regardless of how the new script works, the results will always be compared to the list on minecraftservers.org and any differences will most likely raise questions. Apart from November which had different issues, the results from minecraftservers.org haven't been questioned.

 

The only reason that minecraftservers.org list (or site1, as I refer to it) isn't used to choose the winners anymore is because there is a time frame before the list is reset for it to be seen. The site apparently cannot be accessed and recorded at a specific time, a person needs to see it in time at the very end of each month.
Hopefully CypriotMerks will find a way for the results to be public via the script?

 

Timing will be an issue with CypriotMerks script as well. A new log document will need to be created at the same time each month. It doesn't appear that this happened in December. The log that Cyp linked in the top voter thread appears to have been generated at 5:03pm on the 1st Jan. so may have picked up votes placed in January and added them to the December total. This may explain why Myrmidous was on 30 when vote1 had him on 28. He may have voted late in the day on 30th Nov and had this added to his December total as well. It doesn't explain how a number of people who tallied 30 on vote1 were absent from Cyp's list. There is clearly something wrong and it was disappointing that Cyp seemingly chose to ignore it and surprising that mods couldn't see it.
I don't have issue with Cyp developing a more convienient way of finding top voters, but when trials of the script fail, it has to be acknowledged. If not we must concluded that you either don't care or just can't see it.
It is acceptable that initial versions of scripts may have bugs/errors. Having these bugs/errors ignored is less acceptable.

 

Then so many people were punished by having their comments deleted as off topic, or for flame, when all involved had legitimate concerns. Even cyp posted comments regarding this new reader script in a fully congratulatory thread. However, many understood the implications of the problem, even if some chose not to.

 

Yes, Krissy stated that that wasn't the place to discuss it however Cyp was discussing it there???

 

Here is something else to consider. Lets first assume that Cyp's script works as intended. For it to give an accurate tally it would have to count from and to the exact same time of day on the 1st day of each consecutive month, just as vote1 does.
Let's say that vote1 resets at 8am.
Now let's say Cyp's count resets at 7am (before vote1). If, I was to vote just before and just after vote1 resets on the FIRST day then continue to vote early on every day for the rest of the month, Cyp's count will have me on 31 votes in a 30 day month.
Now, if Cyp's count resets at 9am (after vote1) then if, I was to vote just before and just after vote1 resets on the SECOND day then continue to vote early every day for the rest of the month, then the same will happen, I will get an extra vote counted for the month.
The only way for Cyp to avoid this is to have his count reset at the exact same time as vote1, which:
1) Defeats the purpose of Cyp's script other than to ensure they don't miss the tally for the month, and
2) means that Cyp's count will always be exactly the same as that of vote1.

It should take one month for me to determine which way will get me the extra vote and then I could get that extra vote every second month.

 

He posted 3 times on the thread, Krissy, and you removed a lot of relevant posts, ours included. I suppose we aren't allowed to be upset with that? After we were flamed by staff itself on the thread? It's not right and your pride is keeping you from making it right.

 

Computer science (in which I have a degree) is not random like many phenomena you might find in other sciences. It is predictable and follows routine, unless specifically programmed to be random.
What I said in my last post is the thought process I would go through before starting to build a script like the one Cyp is using. It is just facts and possibly already been considered by the coder. If not it should be helpful to them.

To be factual, as I like to be, Cyp posted 3 times (not counting the original post) they were in reply to other posts. Reply to me suggests discussion so we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

 

We are not studying a natural or random phenomenon but hard Facts about the mode of Operation of a man-made IT-Analysis, facts provided by its creator himself. If Cyp hasn't already got conscious about the debate in the top voter thread the he will eventually get it here. Then the only thing we can wait for is Cyp's decision / Action. Drogo on his side is only theorizing on how it may / may not work, which may or may not be helpful to Cyp, killing time until eventually we get a reply from someone who knows

 

Believe it or not Krissy, I'm not trying to be troublesome. If Cyp's script doesn't reset the same time as vote1 it WILL allow for some voters to pick up extra votes.
Just as with the old system when Cyp used votesb.com to tally votes from vote1 and vote2. Because those sites reset at different times some people were able to pick up 4 votes on day one and get to 64 votes in a month of 31 days.
Many thought those people were cheating or the site was buggy. They weren't and it wasn't.

 

Drogo did you set up a strike on your use of the 3rd Person until this issue is solved?

 

Drogo finds it too hard to talk in 3rd when discussing maters in great depth and detail.

 

I wasn't early enough to see it, but I understand Cyp took the actual site stats as reference this time?

 

Support. (I would just have rated 'support' but I am unable to rate things for whatever reason)

 

Yes, Cyp's list is the same as Vote1.

 

Well thank you Cyp for hearing us

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