[Police_Squad] Faking evidence/False Reporting [Wilbo] [Accepted] [Tempbanned]

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    1. Server name (.net / .org ): .net (skywars.com)
    2. In-game name: Police_Squad
    3. Full exact Ban Message: "Faking evidence/False Reporting, appeal on skyblock.net -Wilbo"
    4. Did you read the rules ? Yes.
    5. Why do YOU think you were banned?
    6. I was banned for creating fake videos of people hacking. Recently, I noticed a huge amount of donors treating default players like crap. This is not ok. So, I thought of a plan to frame these suspects to get them off the server. That way the server would be a much happier place. The admins can't just ban someone for being mean. I had to create fake evidence to ban a real suspect.
    How did I do it?

    Using the power of my test server, I was able to replicate the skywars lobby and chat. I made my own plugins and spent hours perfecting this lobby. I did attempt to share my ip with 2 mods, but they declined to see. Below I explain how in a video.
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    (Above: a overview of the fake lobby) (Below: I place barriers for my actors and robots to walk on.)
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    Example of my work I did: JeffFlying.mp4 - Google Drive

    1. Was this an incorrect ban? Absolutely not. I faked reports to ban people that deserved it. Faking the reports was against the rules, and I respect the decisions made by the staff team.
    2. Were you ever banned before on SkyBlock? If so, what for?
    3. I was banned once for flying in a match. I believe it was a one week ban? And I was reported for fly hacking a second time by the user "slhawkins", but I actually wasn't flying and was unbanned.
    4. Why do you think you should be unbanned?
    5. I did break the rules, and I completely understand your points on why I should be banned. Story time: Back in World War 2, most of us know that the United States Military dropped 2 nuclear bombs during the war, killing millions of people. It was a gruesome event, and some thought that the USA had made a huge mistake in killing millions of innocent people. It was wrong in some eyes. However, they didn't drop the 2 bombs for the lols. They didn't drop those bombs just to kill millions of people. They dropped those bombs for a greater good. They dropped those bombs to end World War 2. They brought an era of peace by this hard decision. If this hard decision wasn't made, then who knows the terrible outcome of what the world would be today.
    Yes. I faked videos to ban people. But I didn't just falsely accuse them of hacking for no reason. Each one of them had a reason to, in my opinion, get banned.

    JeffDaHoe: This guy is a total waste. He plays his "I'm fourteen" card to every single girl on the server. However he is not 14. He is 18, legally an adult, and to have an eighteen year old talking to 12 and 13 year old girls in sexual ways and pretending to hump them by doing shift? Ya I don't think so bye bye.

    frankenstein95: To donors eyes, he is a person who speaks his mind. However that is not without its downsides. On multiple occasions, I have seen frank treat defaults and no-rank players like pure crap. Apparently he sees them has being lower than him. All players on sky wars should be equal despite rank. Believe me. This guy was a total bully to many people I have seen. Such a disaster. This is why I created the evidence to ban him.

    LaFlare: The man who speaks in third person. He is purely rude to everyone on the server. If he has been killed by you once in a match, you might as well assume he will hate you forever and be a total douche around everyone. I killed him once. I blew up his island with my TNT cannon. Now I jump out of the match, and it's like this monster was unleashed out of LaFlare. Suddenly he hates me now. Calls me "Poop_Squad" (I tbh thought it was funny xD) and so much other things. Believe me, I am not the only one getting called names. You can ask many donors that are under skygod, and they will say LaFlare treated them like total crap. That's why I made evidence to wipe him off the server, and to make sky wars clean.

    (EDIT) AnonymousPatron: I misjudged this guy. After skyping with him and getting to know him, I pulled my flags off him. I thought he was a hacker and glitch exploiter. Once I knew the truth about this guy I apologized. He did not deserve the video.

    SwiftFireheart: This guy was probably the most nasty guy on sky wars. He was a nasty guy. Although my sources didn't know the exact age, they told me he was well above the age of these young girls on the server and should be wiped out. Pedophilia is by far the worst form of obsession in this entire world in my opinion. To have this guy running around the lobby, sending messages to these girls to share their skype or kik, is not ok. I don't care if I did something wrong. I will do whatever I must to protect those innocent girls from child stalkers like Swift. He was actually the first thing that influenced me to start this hole project. He is so terrible, its laughable.


    As you can see above, I did an explanation for all of the people that I made videos for. Sometimes, we have to break the rules to do the right thing. I think I did the right thing, so this is why I think I should be unbanned. Thank you for reading whomever you are :D.


    If I get unbanned, I plan on helping the great staff of sky wars to improve overall quality to the non ranking players, and I will help them identify questionable evidence.
    Edit: if a mod wants the ip, I will give it to them
     
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    Thank you :D
     
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    You cannot pass judgment on anyone that you'd please. Just because you think they should get banned for doing certain things, doesn't give you the right to fake evidence against them. If they truly were doing these things, you should have reported them with real evidence. Your attitude in this appeal towards some of the players still seems like you want to get them banned, it's a moderators job to determine whether or not a player should get banned. You had no legitimate evidence against anyone listed, so tell me, why should I belive you won't do this again?
     
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    I can't. I really can't. I did what I thought was right. Yes, I do sound angry towards some of them. Believe me. They did terrible terrible things, and although I do not have evidence at the moment, I have seen many pictures through skype and text messaging. When I did this, I thought it was the only way. I attempted to warn a mod that was online, but he/she never replied back. I thought of many different options, and I thought this was the only way... Wilbo. I am terribly sorry for what I have done. Whatever the outcome for myself is, I will respect you and your decisions. You can make the call.
     
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    As I said earlier, you could come on the server and I could show you and tell you why I did what I had to do. Lemonade and Roblox have came on. It is safe if you are worried about anything.
     
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    Roblox and I both realize that you had right and moral intentions, and I understand that completely. If I put myself in your shoes, I would be just as frustrated as you are or were. Although I wouldn't make a whole server copying Skywars, I would probably do something maybe more "effective."

    Here's the thing: What you did was somewhat "moral" in a sense, but that does not give you the right to bypass the set of rules put into place by the Skyblock staff team and administrators. We like to enforce the rules here—not break them. If it was really that big of an issue, why didn't you just report them? Don't you find it hypocritical of yourself to break rules just in order to get them punished as a result? Have you ever heard of the saying "Two wrongs don't make a right"? That saying applies specifically to this, as this is unacceptable behavior to be demonstrated within the community of Skyblock.

    What do you suggest that we, as a staff team, can do to make this better from both standpoints? I very well understand this is frustrating, but that doesn't make it acceptable for you to do this.

    In addition, I saw on your server that TJJMann12 or something was flying, and he is, quite possibly, one of the most innocent players on the Skywars server. Why did you set him up? You went through all of this trouble to simply make a report and get someone punished for something they didn't even do in the first place? Were you planning to report him as well in case he allegedly did something wrong similarly to the other players? Why weren't you able to grab evidence of all of these scenarios, but you were somehow able to make a complete fraud of a server using your own wonderful resources?

    Not only is this unprecedented throughout my whole entire moderating career, but it is also something that I don't understand why someone would go through all of this trouble to get. How did you find about all of their malicious behaviors via Skype in the first place? More than likely in-game. If that's the case, then you should have gathered screenshots through Minecraft and not have set them up in this way like the rest of the community does.

    I would like a very convincing argument to allow us to unban you.
     
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    I completely agree with what Lem and Wilbo have said so far. Something Id like to add in is, if these players were truly doing something wrong, you wouldn't have had to create this outside source to get the needed evidence. If they really were as bad as you make them out to be, Id imagine it would be rather easy to collect legitimate evidence of them being derogatory or disrespectful to other members of the community. I'm honestly just taken aback by the whole situation and what lengths you went to try to make this situation right. But as Lem said, two wrongs definitely don't make a right.
     
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    Lemonade. Your words are so true. So Accurate. Yes, I am extremely frustrated, not with the staff, but with the dumb and stupid people I attempted to get banned. Do I find it hypocritical? Absolutely not. When we dropped those bombs in WW2, we didn't regret anything. We had to do what we had to do. After 9/11, squadrons of U.S bombers bombed many civilian residence and buildings. We attacked them because they destroyed our towers. However we inflicted the same amount of damage on them. Hypocrital? I don't think so in my opinion. I bring these random events up to correspond in my situation. You have many excellent points don't get me wrong. They did terrible things, and I should have reported them to you guys and go through the process. However, I decided to break the same boundaries as them. I didn't do this in an act of hatred. I broke the rules to teach them a lesson. Believe me. Jeff is now unbanned, but next time when he starts to do something questionable, he will stop himself, thinking of why I tried to stop him. Swift. Now unbanned. But as he read my first post, he will know that what he is doing is so terrible, so horrible. He didn't think people would be out to target him for doing what he does. Who knows maybe before he didn't even think it was that bad. But he knows now after reading my post on why he got banned, that what is going on with him and some random girls must end. It's a psychological thing.

    If I were to report the people above the legal way (tell mods, scrap up as much evidence as possible, make a post, wait for post responses, wait for them to get banned) it would take much longer than my methods. While this legal process went down, who knows how many more innocent girls could get affected by these people. That only goes for Swift and Jeff. Take a look at frank and LaFlare, and you are talking at least a dozen players who log off your server frustrated that these two donors are treating them like human waste. Believe me. I did it this way to speed up the process, and although the evidence was fake, it backed up a real reason for them to get banned.

    Ok the TJJ situation. This one is complicated. If you check the logs, you'll notice that TJJ is one of the best players ever. You are surely right about that. He is so kind, very mature for his age, and a successful and charming person to the server. He is what server owners want when they open a new server. He is the one on my list who does not deserve it entirely...

    On skype, I was skyping with a player (who has asked not to be mentioned in this appeal for privacy), and he told me he was making a new server. I was like, "Oh nice. Do you have a plan?" His response: "Yes I do, I just need a staff formed." The problem with making new servers is that you have to have an excellent and mature staff to keep the server truly successful. Anyway. he showed me his staff board. I was looking from the bottom of the board to the top, reading the names of the mods, then admins, then owners. I looked up to the owner part, only to see the person I was skyping with, and TJJman12. I asked him"Do you know TJJ well?" His response. "I mean we talked on the server and he seems like a pretty cool guy. I wanted to ask him for the spot." I tried for hours and hours not to have this guy be co owner. My friend knew very little of him and he wanted him to be co owner. This was a terrible idea. I tried making him skype (They had each other's skype but they only messaged), but he refused. I was trying to tell him what would happen once he got the power. I explained that some people who gain power (or lose it) can act very differently than they appear. He still didn't. So, in order to do my friend a huge favor, and to spare his server of a dictator, I framed TJ. For what? To see his reaction of being banned. After the report was responded to, I went back to my friend, and I said "woah I saw TJ get banned for hacking" His response: "I know. TJ was freaking out. He is so mad. I have never seen him cuss so much. xD I don't want a player for my staff team who acts like a 2 year old when something doesn't go their way XD" I was so happy. I was able to expose TJ's hidden self to my friend, which spared his server from a meltdown.

    The TJ incident would not/did not affect skywars. However it did affect a developing server. I was able to stop this person from entering a staff which controlled a soon to come great server. If you ask me, I think it was very needed.

    This is my response to Lemonade
     
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    Lemonade's words were so accurate indeed. I also agree with you. Why would I do this whole thing when I could just get evidence?

    EDIT: I took down the screenshot. It contains inappropriate material that would violate the forum rules. If you wish to see the screenshot go to jeff.png - Google Drive

    Read the "f*****" person. That is Jeff. Look what he says. It's so bad. so terrible to this girl (and guy). It's a screenshot of a devil speaking. I have dozens of screenshots like this. However, if I were to go to the forums and report this, no one would get banned. Your response would be "Not enough evidence. Jeff will not be banned" There is no way of proving to you guys that he is Jeff. All of the things that Jeff and Swift have done cannot be proven to you. It's the way your system works. You need hard written evidence of someone to get them banned. These types of screenshots don't work. They don't show the minecraft usernames like the public chat does.

    This is why I resulted to faking the evidence. There was no way of getting these guys banned with this evidence. I had to use my robots to fake them. Believe me. They did not deserved to be banned for hacking. However, they DID deserve to be banned for pedophilia, player disrespect, insecure personality traits, or just plain rudeness. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
     
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    That's what we call corruption, my friend.

    You're eliciting an action that shouldn't even have been there before. What if you got banned for something you didn't do? Would you be mad? Probably. It's a psychological thing.

    Obviously, we're not fighting a war here, so the whole "The ends justify the means" thing doesn't and shouldn't apply here. If you would have been patient and waited a bit for moderators with lives to do their job like they are trained to do, then maybe we wouldn't have to waste our time again to deal with an avoidable situation like this. The whole process? It's not that hard to make a report or private message a Skywars moderator to take action.
     
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    I understand. I'm not saying I'm not. I'm just trying to decide whether or not this is actually correct in a way.
     
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    Once again, I agree. I completely understand that you guys aren't robots, always waiting for a post then to reply. I wasn't referring to your side of the process. I was referring to mine. It would take many days for me to get solid evidence to make it seem legitimate. If you looked at the screenshot I just posted of Jeff, you can clearly see it has terrible things in it. But the evidence is not good enough, and he would not get banned for it.

    Is this correct?

    I can't answer that. To me, it is. To my friend, it is. But in your eyes, it is not. I can't tell you if this is correct or not. I really can't. What I did was subjective, and can be seen in a million different ways.
     
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    We cannot accept Skype as evidence for server related issues, we are server moderators, not Skype moderators. You keep saying this act by you was needed. It was most definitely not, if those players were breaking the rules, evidence of them doing so would have been presented to us eventually. I don't think you understand what you did was wrong, you may think it's morally right to falsify evidence to get these players banned, but it's against the rules to do so. You even made mistakes about some of the players actions, although some of these players might have commited offences, some of the players you made fake evidence on never did anything wrong. How would you feel if you got banned for no reason, and you thought your account was unsecure?
     
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    I understand you are trying to get op on the server. Would you like access?
     
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    That is what I am trying to prove. Skype evidence isn't valid. This is why I faked the evidence. Believe me. "evidence of them doing so would have been presented to us eventually." You are so true. However, say that word again. "Eventually" Yes eventually indeed, and while this "eventually" waited to happen, let me ask you how many more girls and boys would be affected by these people? How many? The reason why I did this was to stop the bleeding as fast as possible. I did not want the server to lose people from rudeness, and I most certainly do not want the server to suffer from pedophilia.

    It is so against the rules to fake evidence. You are so right about that. But:

    Would you rather have someone falsely accuse people to get them banned who deserve it,

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    Allow 2 pedophiles to harass players, 2 skygods to harass young defaults, and to have a guy who is emotionally unstable. I would prefer option 1
     
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    It doesn't matter what you prefer, you need to have proper evidence to report somebody. In the time that it took you to recreate the entire server, I'm sure you could of gotten legitimate evidence. Plus what do you say about the people that didn't do anything wrong that you got banned? Were they just "mistakes"; you see a moderator always needs the proper evidence to ban someone, it's how we prevent false banning from happening. You decided to bypass that part and get them banned with false evidence.

    So what if a moderator just started to ban people based on accusations? A lot of good people could potentially get banned for no reason. Understand that you did something very wrong, you didn't even research certain players actions thoroughly. Shortcuts do not work, you need proper evidence to ban players. You wanted players who break the rules to be gone off of the server, but went about it in a completely wrong way.
     
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