Economy The lottery imposes a big problem

So, as most of you guys know, there are some certain players with an unfair amount of bots that AFK the lottery. First off, from the perspective of a player with hardly any progress on economy, im already immediately discouraged from playing the lottery. A lot of the time, im outnumbered by at LEAST 5 alts.
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Why this isn't fair in general:

-Earning a lot of money by doing no work
-as they're simply using server plugins and are just AFK

-The players aren't really playing the game to gain the steady income

-Spams the chat
-its just really annoying to have my entire chat page filled with a list of alts buying tickets.

-Gives the impression that having influence on the server and being rich can be gained with a pay-to-play strategy

-makes the lottery extremely unfair

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Another one of my issues is when Krissy got her balance essentially reset by abusing ice farming. I see the reason behind it, but the key difference between that and the lottery issue is that Krissy simply worked for her money whereas the bots that are AFK are low-effort and really not playing the server.

I'm not questioning the way you (the staff/higher ups) want your guys' server to be played, but I really hope you see that this is an ongoing issue for many players, from non-donors (on economy lol) all the way up to moderators.

As i stated earlier, the one or two players have created a simple problem that seems would just require a simple solution.
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leave your thoughts below

 

My thoughts is that this is completely absurd. Those players paid for extra accounts, they pay for the lottery tickets, they don't win every time.

Quoting m0gliEz here:
"if a gas station sold as many lotto tickets as you were willing to buy, why not buy them?"
(or something along the lines)

Imagine those '5' alts are players. You wouldn't be complaining then would you? You're salty because if players use alternate accounts on the lottery apparently they don't 'work for their money'.

You talk about a simple solution. What is this?
As for now, no support on this, ever

also i'm sure iako would have something to say on this

 

If those 5 alts were players, id have absolutely no problem with it.

Thats almost just about correct. I feel its justified.

Unfair advantage. Once again, thats pay-to-win

But they sure as hell make a lot of profit.
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thank you for your feedback.

 

It technically isn't unfair as the players using the lottery bots bots spend more money on the lottery, meaning that if they win, they warn less than if anyone else without alts won. I would agree that lottery announcements cause a lot of spam, though. We could remove them and instead announce when the lottery has a certain amount of time left

 

It really could work in a cycle most of the time. Really, the accounts normally win while earning what else the other accounts have bid while almost collecting the revenue from other tickets. Regardless of the technics, its really unfair for people without an insane balance or a bunch of accounts and knowledge of scripting mods and such.

 

Even though I hate this too, The maximum alts should be 3.

The alts always win but not all players have alts though.

 

The lottery has a limit on how many tickets you can buy (2) so it is unfair if you work your way around that by having multiple alts and bots to buy tickets. Its clear that the people running the server want it to be fair for everyone by setting the limit to 2 tickets, so I don't understand why people are even trying to argue it.

 

to be honest, 1 is enough.

 

Let me try to understand... you're saying it's okay to abuse some things? There is no key difference between making a large water pool and waiting for ice to form than it is buying lotto tickets. You can afk at your 199x199 ice farm and rake plenty of profits sure, but this isn't considered something difficult while you afk. The island level calculation along with the amount that ice was being sold for was a huge blurp that needed fixing. Only a few who knew about the ease and high price took advantage of that. (inside trading) ?

I offered the analogy that if you go into any gas station, they don't limit how many lottery tickets you can buy. They don't tell the person in line behind you that he or she are limited to the same amount of tickets that you bought. That would would be ludacris. If they did, one would send random people into the store to purchase more tickets, (family members, friends, alts)

If you say it's pay-to-win, then let me point something else out. Should the server also be limiting alts from gaining their /kits on the server as well? Say I pay for a few alts and then I upgrade them, should I then be restricted from getting their kits as well? Should my main account be the only one who can get /kit spawner? Should you really be restricted from getting /kit spawner on your alts?

Do you see my point?

 

As a small community, not everyone can have 10 alts, and creates a huge imbalance to those who can't. In the real world, there's millions of people buying tickets, so buying 10 wouldn't make a huge deal. But once you have like a 10/50 chance of winning, things start to become really unfair. I understand your analogy, however, it simply does not apply here.

 

Krissy manually worked for her ice. In your case you have like a million different alts you use to do nothing but buy lotto tickets.

In this analogy, it would make sense if you bought well over the majority of lotto tickets across america. The bots really keep their population high therefore maintaining the majority.

No. The lottery tickets are hourly, whereas kits dont offer near the rewards in the same quantities as the tickets do when constantly bought. Not only that but simply just the bots' chat spam is bothersome to many as well.

Yes. Is it valid? Not really.

 

Although it does seem unfair initially, alts buying extra tickets does not increase the profit of the single player who collects from the alts. The probability of the player with alts winning is greater, but so is the cost of playing the lottery with those extra tickets.

For example:
Let's say 3 players play a simple lottery 10 times in a row where each ticket is $1 and 10 tickets are sold.
Player A buys 7 tickets all 10 times.
Player B buys 2 tickets all 10 times.
Player C buys 1 ticket all 10 times.

To keep things simple, let's pretend reality and probability agree perfectly. Player A should win 7 out of 10 times, Player B 2 out of 10, and Player C 1 out of 10.

Player A will spend $70 total and, when he wins 7 times out of 10, win back exactly $70.
Player B will spend only $20 in total and win back $20 when he wins 2 out of 10 times.
Player C will spend just $10 and will lose 9 out of 10 times, however when he wins the 1 time out of 10, he will receive $10.

Played continuously, everyone should come out even in the end. (I think.)

 

I’ll just say what I think
If I had 6 accounts I would be buying 1200 worth of tickets and let’s say someone else bought one ticket

That’s 1400 in the pot
If I win I only win 200 if the other person wins they win 1200 and I don’t know about you that seems way better then only winning 200

Also it does not spam chat more then like 50% of the chat is filled up with other messages like Voting, limits, the sale messages and everything else, and when someone buys a rank

It’s causing no harm at all in my opinion no support

 

Before I give my support/no support, I want to know one thing...
How would you regulate this?
IPs? /Alts? All of them can be easily bypassed.

 

Possibly limiting amount of wins per account such as skychat? There's a lot of things the devs could do to help it.

 

Actually, I made barely any profit, and when somebody does win, they have a chance to win twice the amount than if I didn't play the lottery. If I stop buying tickets for a day, you'll see that the winnings on average would be $400-800 sometimes a little more, sometimes people don't play at all during non-active hours. But while I put a lot of $ into the lottery, players have a chance to earn twice that, sometimes up to $2400. I wish people wouldn't get so upset over it. After all, it's called the "lottery" for a reason. I don't see people complaining about the "casinos" on the server which reap new players of far more. So if you want the lottery gone, wouldn't you also want to see a ban on casinos?

 

im not sure why you always want to compare things. This is about lottery. not casinos.

 

This is correct, meaning that when you play the lottery, youre only likely to get back what you spent.

we could do that

 

For a long time, I completely agreed with Bard and thought the exact same thing.... until last night when I sat down and did some math. It is very easy to jump to the conclusion that a player that buys a lot more tickets is going to win more in the end, however it doesn't work out in the long run because the few times they do lose, they will lose enough to bring them back to break-even. Don't just think about it and trust your feelings on this, do the math and you will see! Don't forget to treat the lottery as an ongoing series of probable events, not just a single instance.

That said, I could see a benefit to limiting the ability of alts to buy more tickets. That benefit would be to eliminate the illusion that some players were receiving an unfair advantage. Many players, myself included, don't or didn't play the lottery because they felt it was unfair. If it were simply 1 entry per human being it might enhance the entertainment value of the lottery mini-game because everyone could agree and easily conclude that it was "fair".