Economy Reinstate Anti-AFK Mod and Ban AFK Pools

This is me bracing for a whole lot of hate.

The number of large AFK farms continues to grow. This creates two big problems:

• Severe inflation
• Lag

This issue can be easily measured by the ever increasing number of items being removed by clag.

Staff have made various changes to try to address this.

Changes to prices at /warp shop encourage manual sale over AFK sale. Personally I really like that one. If you're too lazy to sell crops yourself, make a profit shop so others can be rewarded for facilitating your laziness (I'm definitely in that category).

Implementation of a redstone limit at all was frustrating, but I'm fine with it as long as it remains static. The fact that it keeps changing as players find new creative ways to crush server performance is not ok.

So why do we keep incentivizing AFK? Don't get me wrong, I keep 2 accounts on all night to keep my farms running but shouldn't server resources go to loading the chunks someone's actually interacting with?

When .org began, there was a rule against AFK and a plugin to help enforce it. The harder part was enforcing AFK pools as it was based on the player being stationary, though realms servers manage to kick just fine with afk pools. At that time, the kick timer was 15 minutes, though even an hour would likely suffice.

How should large scale farms adapt?

If players want their farms to run when they are AFK, they will need to get someone else to load them. Lw5 has an elegant answer to this. He has a room where players AFK and get free pumpkins at /visit aaii. But wait, doesn't this post suggest an AFK kick plugin? Why yes. This will make AFK rooms even better as users will check back frequently to see if the room is free.

They can also incentivize players to keep the chunks loaded with devices that add a counter the longer the chunk is loaded and drops a reward every hour or so. In that example, The AFK room would drop an iron ingot or a grass block after 55 minutes of AFK. 5 minutes later, the player gets kicked and the room frees up for someone else. Or, they scramble back to their PC just in time, move off the trigger and back on, resetting the clock and getting queued up for the next reward.

I've personally built a machine that can monitor for clag (still pretty buggy). If the player never wants to refill it, they need only add a single hopper and 6 chickens. Hopper free, it needs to be refilled every 576 clags, or roughly every 48 hours assuming clag hits every 5 min.

A mod jokingly suggested disabling all redstone as an alternative to constantly changing the limit. Technically that would work because the server would become an absolute ghost town.

You might look at anti-AFK measures as terrible, I offer you instead to consider a server where players keep finding ways to make farms bigger and laggier, more and more appear, the redstone limit keeps changing, and you can never trust that the big fancy thing you built won't break next week to a server change.

Tell an engineer to build a bridge but there is no assurance that the strength of gravity or the weight steel and concrete can hold will change 3 times in 72 days. He would quit being an engineer, or go do it on a sensible planet.

Alternatively, I suggest we ask that engineer that either he or someone from his team be present while the work is done in order to get paid.

 

Extreme big giant support, this sounds awesome and would really boost the performance. I hope this gets implemented, and maybe we could increase the redstone limit after the fact. I am impressed with the detail you put into this suggestion. also first

 

no support i dont want to have to gibeaway stuuf on my already super plim profit magins

 

I've got other ideas, but it's one idea per thread. That said, if all farms are running at the same time I have no better idea for a single change the manage the lag.

 

Too bad they are so easily bypassed. I think it's easier to add incentivizing mechanisms than tear down a farm that exceeds the limit. It's a lower impact to the investment you describe.

 

pay me the amount per day i make from afking

 

No support sorry


There are ways to get around all the anti afk plug-ins. That are out there.

 

Unfortunate but true. It would require a lot of mod activity and many would still slip through the cracks.

 

Players are trying to catch up on /baltop which is full of players that previously afked 2+ accounts for months on end and you suggest to make afking against the rules thus making money earning harder and reaching /baltop even more out of reach. Thats not fun :<

The server runs at 19+ tps for significant periods during the day and many people with large farms afk at them 24/7 thus proving that these players afking at farms do not significantly contribute to tps drop. With this in mind, why would we need to make AFKing against the rules? The player count would obviously fall instantly as soon as no-afking is enforced and we all know that player count is one of the main attractions for new players looking for servers to join so having 20-50 people on a server rather than 50-100, still having similar/the exact same lag problems and reaching /baltop becoming even more out of reach just doesn't seem like a positive outcome.

 

Very valid points and I agree with 95%. Were I disagree is that we have been seeing times where TPS drops significantly, typically later third of the day (time zone agnostic, by later in the day I mean closer to reset). I assume this is because more and more players get around to logging in and going AFK.

Interesting thought, I'd be curious to know what the ratio of AFK/Active is by time of day...

I also think chickens are a contributor but that's for a different thread.

 

no support, I feel like there isn't even all that much lag on economy anymore after all the updates the development team did, big farms also help the consumer (the person buying.)

 

No Support, considering our money is dependent on these farms instead of paying USD
I hate to say it but its unfortunately true

 

And then they spend it on GCs and upgrades, so yes, it's still dollars.

 

Not everyone spends their in game money on gift cards. I mean in terms of income most players earn their money from farms with slim margins which is why they afk. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but you have a reputation on buying things from the online buycraft store and sell it in game for 95% of your income. You're suggesting something that effects everyone except for you. I see your point and its a really good point but I just don't think it would work by adding more rules and restrictions and would discourage people from continuing to play since nobody has 24/7 to play.

 

How about taking away /sell all and forcing players to go to warp shop to sell their stuff rather than curtailing the farms production. That was the idea behind warp shop. I always use warp shop which means I am rarely afk for more than a couple of hours.

 

I'm confused, what exactly is your suggestion? Is it the title or is there more in the 6 paragraphs that seem kinda unrelated to me?

 

The banker would help cause if i had alot of bal in there it would qork like an afk farm

 

No bad mojo. And you're right, it's about 95%. My farms are mostly a perk for visitors. I still AFK overnight to keep them stocked for players and to get keys though, so yes, this would still effect me. Less then players who rely on it, and more than those that don't AFK at all.