demote inactive staff

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  1. athena_x
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    This has been stated at least 20 times on this thread alone, it’s pretty clear at this point that it won’t change their point of view, regardless of how factual or correct it is.

    This is a phenomenon known as “belief perseverance” and is pretty well documented if you’d like to look it up :)

    “Belief perseverance is the tendency to cling to one's initial belief even after receiving new information that contradicts or disconfirms the basis of that belief.”
     
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    I fully agree with everything you said here and I have the same idelogy with the application process vs. time after being promoted, these are 2 totally different standards concerning activity. Activity a few years back was different on some aspects and it was highly pushed for the staff team, but also as there was a large number of people on the team. I think the problem represents itself with there only being currently 1 applicant in the "Staff Application" section and it goes to show the tedious process of applications and how some applicants lose their confidence on the entire process and the idelogy behind it. It's really difficult to be told on your application that you are not seen on the server enough, or do not have that much activity, but the current standard now is not as high as it use to be for activity, so the applicant might just think "Hey, why do I have to show my activity all the time when there are some staff who do not replicate this themselves?"

    In my opinion, this is definately not a thread for staff to automatically disagree on, possibly the title of this thread however. This will just promote healthy discussion on this topic and it is definately a topic that does need discussion as there have been countless threads/conversatoins/etc. of inactivity and how it's being represented. I already shared my opinion on this in a previous comment and I still remain neutral, but this should remain a topic of discussion.
     
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    Well since we are complaining , staff are so lazy wow can’t believe it.

    I’m all seriousness, staff have lives just like you and me, as much as being a mod is important we have no idea what is or isn’t going on in their lives and we should extend them the same grace you would expect. As staff have said on this thread, being mod takes on more than being in game, ie; reading/ responding to reports, appeals and other Behind the scenes actions. I would like to see whoever wrote this post put the amount of hours into being a mod and preforming duties as all current staff. It is a hard job.
     
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    if there is 1 thing I have learned since the creation of this thread, it is that the staff are actually real people (like, in real life!) that live lives independent of this Minecraft server.
    lol
     
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    Salvation and SuperCoolWimp are right end of story
     
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  6. SuperCoolWimp
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    Because either the team does have some sort of "places" or Kerahna is too inactive to see that the team needs more super mods and staff...
     
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    Those aren't the exclusive reasons? Why do you think there needs to be more staff?
     
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    I’m not agreeing with anyone else’s reasonings or anything, but I just wanna add that I do think more staff is necessary, sometimes there’s points through the day where you simply cannot get any staff on to assist you, and it’s honestly an issue, of course other players can always help out while there’s no staff gone, but some matters would just be much easier if there was more staff; also I see no harm in there being more, I would rather have too much staff than too little.
     
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    Agreed, I believe more staff would be helpful, with that being said, removing the "inactive" staff members right now would serve little to no purpose.
     
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    I agree more staff would always be nice, that's not the point i'm trying to make here. I want to know why. It doesn't need more staff, people want more staff. Why? You could have 100 staff it still would leave times where staff aren't on the server, that's what discord is for, that's what the forums are for. Thats what the reporting section is for, you can't demand or expect a 24/7 coverage with a team of volunteers.

    I'm trying to understand their view on why. because it keeps changing and ends up always just being an unproductive moan at staff.
     
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    I feel like this thread is missing the point. Its not really about demoting staff its about the vast difference applicants and actual staff are held to. That is why there ae so few applicants right now and why so many have flamed out. Applicants do not feel it is a fair prosses when people harp on them for not playing/helping often enough when they are all more active than most staff.
     
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    I think that the staff should be active enough to know whats going on with the server. I think moderators should moderate. I believe that when a staff member is about to take a long break they should update the players (not get personal, just state they will be taking a break). I think the staff manager should promote staff when needed. I think staff members should log on at least once every two weeks (obviously I want them to log on more, but that's minimum) if they haven't stated they are going on a break. I think the server should have active super mods and should have a staff member online at least 70% of the time. I think if you are currently on the staff team you owe at least this much to the server, voluntary or not, busy or not.

    These are not unreasonable requests, these are fair requests. Nothing keeps changing, no moaning at staff has happened. This is the point of the thread, if you don't agree that staff should be held to these things you are allowed to disagree. You and Awesomolocity make statements on threads you don't agree with trying to discredit them with false statements and unfair questions that have no true answers in your minds. Nothing I say will change your opinion, no need to make comments that don't contribute to the thread. You haven't explained why inactive staff should stay on the team because you don't know why they should, you just want to disagree.
     
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    I have indeed made points as to why we should keep them, you’re just blind to you own beliefs to see it. But sure I’m not here to discredit you, it’s not personal, just my opinions. If you can’t have an open discussion without viewing it as a personal attack to discredit you, that’s on you. I have not discussed false statements or unfair questions you just fail to understand them and that’s ok.
     
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    So are these the basis for your opinions? This post isn't an agreement or disagreement, I'm just trying to get a clear yes or no so that people understand exactly what the position is. So these are what it seems to me like your opinions are:

    - Staff should be demoted when inactive if they cannot give reasons for inactivity, or at the least say they won't be active for this period

    - Staff should always mention when they won't be active

    - Staff should be held to a higher standard when it comes to activity

    - More staff need to be promoted

    - It should be required to login as a staff member within a minimum period which otherwise would result in demotion

    What I'm also getting from this is your opinion would be that there should be punishment for lack of communication, activity, etc. and you think they are too lackadaisical about how they treat inactivity

    Let me know if it's accurate or not, just what I've concluded from everything
     
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    hope this helps
     
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    Yes those are things you think should be required of a staff member. What people are confused on is the demotion of staff members, since that was the original premise of the thread, which is what my comments were about specifically. So you’re saying that if staff don’t meet those expectations they should be demoted? That’s what people are confused on
     
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    Yes, if staff don't at least do the things I listed I believe they should no longer be on the team.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying.

    hopefully that helps the people that were confused
     
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    no s*** sherlock holmes lmao
     
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    he was being sarcastic and using humour
     
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