demote inactive staff

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  1. Awesomolocity
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    Every time this topic gets brought up, the only thing I can think to say in response is:

    Why?

    Like what purpose would removing them serve?
     
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    First off, Salvation and Happyman are my favs so no hate to them :happy::love::pomp:.

    I understand why some people get frustrated from the whole "staff inactivity" concept, and how some staff members rarely log in. If this was an IRL job where you are getting monetary compensation, you'd get demoted/fired for not doing your job or never showing up. While being a staff member means maintaining professionalism and a corporate like "behaviour" when dealing with situations, reiterate to the fact that this server is a block video game. It's Minecraft.

    Staff members on the server are volunteers. They understand when they apply for helper that there is no "confirmed" compensation. The most you can get is a 1/1 staff head, and a few extra permissions to help you out with your "position". Staff members are sacrificing their personal time to log onto a game rated for people approximately 10+ (SOURCE: https://www.norfolk.police.uk/sites/norfolk/files/minecraft.pdf).

    Staff members have IRL lives. They have to tend to that first. It doesn't mean resigning because they are having issues IRL. They could, but it's literally not as necessary.

    I understand how the server needs constant attention, but honestly I don't find demoting people a solution to improve moderation. If they do promote more people, sure, it'll expand the staff team and turn a quarter of the player base to staff, but I think what would be best is staff trying to be as active as possible, which they probably are. Whether that's a 10 minute login to just say hello and make sure everyone is okay, or a weekly checkup. While they have lives, I think the major issue as to why threads like this are created is because the lack of clarity and transparency.

    So just knowing that staff are there would prevent these threads, but people need to understand that they have their own things they need to focus on first!!!!

    Anyways, I slayed. Please, no negative ratings, I will literally cry on the spot and report you for revenge. :photo:

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    read the responses to tha thread homie
    yeppers I appreciate staff members not being little artificial intelligences created for the sole purpose of moderating their assigned servers, but have you ever timed how long it takes to load up Minecraft, join the server, pretend to look at chat and leave? Everybody has this amount of time, no matter how busy they are with work and schooling (or both consecutively). This would at least give the illusion of activity and is preferable to them just not interacting with the server for months at a time without the players being told anything, even if they only do this once per fortnight. If the levels of inactivity that are currently being demonstrated by certain staff members were demonstrated at the time of their applications being open, they would not have been promoted. Had they said on their applications that down the line they would be absent from the server for several month long periods, they would not have been promoted. Everybody has things come up, everybody needs breaks, but it is so easy to just say on your profile "hey something personal that I would rather not disclose has happened so I will not be active for perhaps 2 months" or "due to a recent increase in workload/schoolwork I will be a lot more inactive for the following 5 months".
     
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    I definitely agree with you on this. I think just letting the community know you're taking a break without any detailed reason is okay. Just more clarity and more communication with the members of the server from the staff's side can clear up any confusion or concerns.
     
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    This is true, ive been playing for 2 years and I havent even heard of a few of these people! Krissy I have seen around once every 3 months if that. The rest I think can be let go, its sad to see them go as they were nice people when they were active.
     
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    My original screenshot was basically just to show the person in charge of staff and staff promotion is adamant on keeping staff on the team whether active or inactive, so most effort to convince her otherwise probably won't go anywhere (she was already basically asked the exact question you're asking here).

    Your best bet is to probably just nicely message some of the staff you believe aren't on very much and just ask if they're going to continue playing or if they are still helping at all in ways unseen.
     
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    I agree with this proposal.
     
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    moderators won't ever be demoted based on activity.
     
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    I saw kei and krissy on a few weeks ago lol. They're just busy with irl things. Im sure they have communicated their irl situation with the admin and there's no shame on temporary leaving skyblock for irl work.
     
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    I've read every response in the thread. Every single reply is discussing when / if staff should be removed.

    None of them (seem to) address why you think staff should be removed. I guess the closest possible answer I can discern comes from these quotes here:

    But I sincerely hope you are not suggesting inactive staff members get removed because you are under the impression that they're "holding up slots for staff" or something - because I'm certain that is not the case.

    So I ask again: what purpose would removing staff members serve?
     
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    Bro found one reason - a pretty good reason - quoted it, then said some of the most crazy stuff that wasn't relevant at all, and finally topped it off like he didn't just quote a reason.
     
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    so a position becomes empty and he applies and e z staff
     
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    I don't see the point of demoting inactive staff. It doesn't change anything, like Kerahna's quote shows, they aren't holding up spots for other members. If your point is about getting more active mods, why? Mods don't implement important suggestions, Mods don't do improvements or updates, Mods don't make the 1.19 update come any quicker. These are all down to Noobcrew and the Dev team. Mods monitor and manage chat and deal with bans and appeals. And that's being handled fine between the people who are active and with the systems in place to do so.

    So whats the point of demoting the people that have probably got things going on, and as all of us know, If you have a job or full time schooling, sometimes volunteering on a block game server isn't in the priorities list, but you may be back someday and any help helps. No matter how often or when.
     
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    A perceived lack of staff isn't a reason to demote staff members. It's a reason to seek out more staff members.
    There is actually no real limit on how many people can have different staff roles, so the idea that inactive staff are the reason for a "lack of staff" is fundamentally flawed reasoning.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Please explain to me what the BENEFITS of demoting staff members who don't play "enough" minecraft would be.


    EDIT: even in the extreme case that a staff member explicitly states that they won't get online at all any more than 15 minutes every other month, what would removing them from the staff list accomplish?
     
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    I dunno know man? Besides the listed reasons? Maybe... Oh no... I don't know if I'm strong enough to say it... omg... I guess someone has to. OK. Staff members that do play "enough" minecraft could take their place.

    Since you asked a question that has no true answer you'll agree with I'll ask this:
    Whats the benefits of having a staff member that doesn't play "enough" minecraft?
     
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    Its literally been explained by the staff manager that there are no "places" to be taken. It doesn't work like that.
     
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    So then Kerahna is just neglecting the team and refusing to do her job because she's... inactive?
     
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    If you had asked me what I felt about this a year ago or even 6 months ago I would have been in full agreement in demoting inactive staff members. Since then, I now realize it's not the fact that someone may be inactive; it's the standards they're held too (or lack of, depending on how you see it).

    The application process has become so tedious and held to very high standards (probably much too high), but on promotion it seems as if those standards are dropped down significantly and that's why many people see that activity drops significantly after promotion. The reality of this is that after promotion, many of the staff actually drop back into their realistic schedule for playing and moderating. They do not have to feel the need to reach the high standards many may feel like applying comes with. I think a better solution would either be to seemingly lower standards required to apply, or on the opposite side hold the same standards after promotion as before.

    Many of the people that applied would list their schedule for how much they can play and then either go above and beyond that to play more, or listed it as being a lot more frequent than it actually was
     
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    I'm confused at how you jumped from "It's because they take up places" to "Kerahna is neglecting the staff team and being inactive" I just stated that your one point as to why we should demote these inactive staff, is invalid.
     
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